Will the Jap/Allied Occien Liners be part of AE

[Japan]

Some Occien Liners had a role in WW2, troop transporting ect. (had evan that role in Falklan War when troops was carryed on the Queen Elisabeth 2) ... and have properbly had in many wars..

Anyway, for WW2, will Occien Liners like Asama Maru and Tatsuta Maru ect.. be part of AE ?


[&o]

[cantona2]

Arent they in WitP? I know the Aquitania is in CHS.

[DuckofTindalos]

Yes, the OCEAN liners are in... Why wouldn't they be?

[DuckofTindalos]

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[Japan]

Nice, very nice...
 
I havent seen them in the Big. B,  so woundered if thay would be in AE... nice work btw [:)]

[JWE]

A new Class in AE (the xAP) was created especially for ocean liners and specific cargo ships configured as ‘slave ship’ type troop haulers. There’s many classes and many, many ships. Since we’re opening the overcoat a teensy bit, here’s a “few” of what you might see.

(art supplied by TomLabel, BigB, and JWE)

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

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Hey T, this brings another question to mind (that may have already been answered). This ship shows a troop capacity of 9680 (wow!) and bulk cargo capacity of 3400. Is one in addition to the other or if you add troops, does the bulk capacity decrease?

Thanks.

[DuckofTindalos]

It's one plus the other. The Aquitania can carry 9680 troops AND 3400 tons bulk cargo.

The Japs have the ability to convert some of their small xAK's (ships with ONLY bulk cargo capacity) into very makeshift troopships by sacrificing bulk cargo space for troop space (stringing hammocks and putting up troughs to **** in), but if you see a ship with values in more than one of the three cargo categories, it means it can carry them all at the same time.

[Mike Solli]

Very cool, T.  I see new spreadsheets in my future. [:D]

[DuckofTindalos]

Was there ever any doubt?[:D]

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: JWE

A new Class in AE (the xAP) was created especially for ocean liners and specific cargo ships configured as ‘slave ship’ type troop haulers. There’s many classes and many, many ships. Since we’re opening the overcoat a teensy bit, here’s a “few” of what you might see.

(art supplied by TomLabel, BigB, and JWE)

OK, ala Brady. Name those ships!

[DuckofTindalos]

Duh, I think the top left one may be the Aquitania...[:D]

[JWE]

What we had to do Mike, was start from what was. Aquitania had good records of her loads, so you start with those. But Aquitania, and the other liners, carried ‘men’ and ancillary ‘cargo’, not fully equipped units.

Unfortunately, the game (neither AE nor WiTP) doesn’t think that way. It thinks only in terms of ‘units’. The game will not strip the ‘squads’ from a division and put them all on the Aquitania, and put all the guns, tanks, trucks, on xAKs. Rather, it will break the division into rational chunks, and fill ships with the “best fit chunk”. So Aquitania will have a troop capacity of 9600, but some of that troop capacity will be used for MGs, mortars, 75mm guns, etc..

What we have to do is consider IRL capacities (to keep the whiners down) along with game load-out constraints. So can an individual ship carry what she did IRL ? no .. categorically no. Can a group of ships, such as a US Navy TransDiv, carry what did IRL ? well .. sometimes. We tried to put things in the middle of the distribution, but the game paradigm isn’t IRL specificity in every instance.

We’re looking closely at capacity vs LCU definition. We’re still tweaking the LCUs, so we can’t get a peg in the ground just yet. But differences will be tweaks, not fundamental.

Hope this helps.

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Terminus
It's one plus the other. The Aquitania can carry 9680 troops AND 3400 tons bulk cargo.

The Japs have the ability to convert some of their small xAP's (ships with ONLY bulk cargo capacity) into very makeshift troopships by sacrificing bulk cargo space for troop space (stringing hammocks and putting up troughs to **** in), but if you see a ship with values in more than one of the three cargo categories, it means it can carry them all at the same time.

Whoops, gotta throw a blivet in there Termie, it's only xAK and AK (the pure cargo pukes) that convert 1/3 of cargo capacity to troop capacity.

xAP etc. (them what got troop cap to start), don't get to play.

[Menser]

Hmmm ... the ones going left are allied ...the ones going right are axis ........... 3rd one on top the (Duh) Asama Maru . 1st one second row HMS Cythia from Cunard line? 2nd in 3rd row Winsor Castle? ...Have to go Net searching for the other s:)

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Menser
Hmmm ... the ones going left are allied ...the ones going right are axis ........... 3rd one on top the (Duh) Asama Maru . 1st one second row HMS Cythia from Cunard line? 2nd in 3rd row Winsor Castle? ...Have to go Net searching for the other s:)

Left column is Allied. Center column is US, except the 7th is Allied and the 8th is Japanese. Third column is Japanese.

You are warm. Hint; the US ships (second column) are (top to bottom) USS West Point, USS Wakefield, SS Pres. Coolidge, SS. Matsonia, APL '535', W.R.Grace "480".

Now this is war in the Pacific, so maybe you want to look at Australian, New Zealand, Indian, vessels too, yeah ? and maybe some Dutchness, as well, yeah ? ooohhhh, that net search just got a bit harder, yeah ? Well, bring it on. That's what Don and I love. Some serious kudos if you get most of 'em.

Wicked, wicked kudos for whoever gets the Japanese.

[DuckofTindalos]

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: Terminus
It's one plus the other. The Aquitania can carry 9680 troops AND 3400 tons bulk cargo.

The Japs have the ability to convert some of their small xAP's (ships with ONLY bulk cargo capacity) into very makeshift troopships by sacrificing bulk cargo space for troop space (stringing hammocks and putting up troughs to **** in), but if you see a ship with values in more than one of the three cargo categories, it means it can carry them all at the same time.

Whoops, gotta throw a blivet in there Termie, it's only xAK and AK (the pure cargo pukes) that convert 1/3 of cargo capacity to troop capacity.

xAP etc. (them what got troop cap to start), don't get to play.

D'OH! I meant xAK, obviously.

[Menser]

24750? I thought the displacement tons on the Aquitania was greater than 45000?

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: Menser
Hmmm ... the ones going left are allied ...the ones going right are axis ........... 3rd one on top the (Duh) Asama Maru . 1st one second row HMS Cythia from Cunard line? 2nd in 3rd row Winsor Castle? ...Have to go Net searching for the other s:)

Left column is Allied. Center column is US, except the 7th is Allied and the 8th is Japanese. Third column is Japanese.

You are warm. Hint; the US ships (second column) are (top to bottom) USS West Point, USS Wakefield, SS Pres. Coolidge, SS. Matsonia, APL '535', W.R.Grace "480".

Now this is war in the Pacific, so maybe you want to look at Australian, New Zealand, Indian, vessels too, yeah ? and maybe some Dutchness, as well, yeah ? ooohhhh, that net search just got a bit harder, yeah ? Well, bring it on. That's what Don and I love. Some serious kudos if you get most of 'em.

Wicked, wicked kudos for whoever gets the Japanese.

Very glad the Wakefield made it..Thank you.

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Menser
24750? I thought the displacement tons on the Aquitania was greater than 45000?

Hey !! You caught one !! It should be 34,750 – darn data entry keyboards. Ok, it’s fixed, now.

Full load displacement was as high as 52,700 long tons. Gross Register Tonnage was 44,786 “ register tons”; Net Register Tonnage was 19,297 “register tons” (Lloyds, 1941).

Obviously, the game ‘tonnage’ number isn’t either full load displacement, or GRT.

For warships, tonnage is “based” on standard displacement. For commercial and auxiliary vessels, tonnage is “based” on light ship (either MC or USN or PL) plus a percentage of the NDwC (“NET” Deadweight Capacity). Note, didn't say it "is", said it is "based on"; some math done here & there.