Carrier withdraw and airgroups

[Heeward]

A recent post in a AAR reminded me that you do can disembark the carrier air group prior to the carrier's withdraw.

Is going to be changed in AE or is it part of the game engine that can not be altered?

[Japan]

ORIGINAL: Heeward

A recent post in a AAR reminded me that you do can disembark the carrier air group prior to the carrier's withdraw.

Is going to be changed in AE or is it part of the game engine that can not be altered?

Would it not be Gamy to remove the Air Groups before withdrawing the Carrier ?

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[wdolson]

So it was gamey when USN aircraft were detached from the carriers and put ashore at Henderson Field during the Guadalcanal campaign?  Carrier trained units did operate from shore bases from time to time.  It was rare, and usually only in emergencies, but it did happen.

The resizing problem that makes people nervous about removing carrier squadrons is gone.  There are also carrier trained air units that arrive in game on shore and can be transferred to carriers.  I'm not sure about the Japanese, but the USN gets extra CAGs that can be cycled through the carriers as happened in real life.

Bill

[JeffroK]

The japanese also stripped ther carriers and saw them devasted at Rabaul.

The problem is more for the RN who often have to withdraw their CV.

Therefore, what happens if a CV withdraws without its airgroup?   PP Penalties??  Or does the airgroup have the same withdrawal date as the CV

Does the airgroup remain on the map and the CV return with a new airgroup??

[Japan]

ORIGINAL: wdolson

So it was gamey when USN aircraft were detached from the carriers and put ashore at Henderson Field during the Guadalcanal campaign?  Carrier trained units did operate from shore bases from time to time.  It was rare, and usually only in emergencies, but it did happen.

The resizing problem that makes people nervous about removing carrier squadrons is gone.  There are also carrier trained air units that arrive in game on shore and can be transferred to carriers.  I'm not sure about the Japanese, but the USN gets extra CAGs that can be cycled through the carriers as happened in real life.

Bill

What i mean is that if the British Goverment wan't to withdraw a Carrier from the Pacific theather to use it in the Medeteranien theater they would want to have the planes sationed on the carrier as well... I don't think the Royal Navy have any use for the carrier if they withdraw it to be used in Medeteranien and don't get the aircrafts stationed on it with it...

Also if you Withdraw the carrier and by doing so don't have to pay PP, you should also withdraw the airgroups on it as you would get them for free if you removed the planes but returned ship.

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[wdolson]

Air runits have their own withdrawal dates.  So if an air unit is intended to withdraw with a carrier, I believe it would have a withdraw date the same as the carrier. 

I haven't checked this to be 100% certain though. 

Bill

[spence]

What i mean is that if the British Goverment wan't to withdraw a Carrier from the Pacific theather to use it in the Medeteranien theater they would want to have the planes sationed on the carrier as well... I don't think the Royal Navy have any use for the carrier if they withdraw it to be used in Medeteranien and don't get the aircrafts stationed on it with it...

Also if you Withdraw the carrier and by doing so don't have to pay PP, you should also withdraw the airgroups on it as you would get them for free if you removed the planes but returned ship.

The RN had more air units trained for carrier operations than carriers to put them on (like the USN). The IJN was different administratively. The air groups were part of the ship's crew. They might be assigned for temporary duty without the ship but they remained attached to the ship. (Probably seems silly but) their service records, pay records and medical records were kept and maintained on the ship just like the black gang, the cooks and the boatswains mates.

I sympathize with the sentiments expressed in the latter paragraph but IIRC many of the aircraft assigned to Pacific were modified for operations in the tropics in ways that may have made them unsuitable (without re-modification)for operations in the Atlantic or Med. Too much expense and too much wasted time when aircraft not modified for the tropics were available in England or the Med already.