I'm a little surprised . . .

[Crimguy]

That there hasn't been more feedback on this title. I tried the demo a while back and thought it was very interesting (groundbreaking in some respects). Anyone want to post comments on the full version?

[Erik Rutins]

Well, it was just released a few hours ago... I think we'll be seeing some feedback soon. Have a look at the preview and review links while you wait. [8D]

[Crimguy]

Didn't realize it was that new. I haven't looked at the Matrix home page in a couple weeks.

[Ketza]

I just played the Demo and hated it.

I cant really say anything more then that.

[GIveloper]

???? Thanks Ketza for your feedback.

[Lützow]

Well, if you can handle some feedback ....

I played the demo some time ago and didn't like it either. The lack of nato counters and a historical OOB was a turn-off and I pretty hate any kind of 'hitpoint-bars'. To sum it up: for me GG belongs in the category of RTS with WWII foil and is not exactly what grognards expect from a wargame. However, for the beer & pretzel stuff I rather take Close Combat or Advanced Tactics, as those are more fun to play.

[Erik Rutins]

The game does have NATO counters and a historical OOB. Which scenario(s) did you play? Did you look at the options?

[Lützow]

I downloaded the demo which was available about 8(?) weeks ago, can't tell the exact time anymore.

Started an available scenario (don't recall the name), saw some fancy soldier symbols, hitpoint-bars, a battalion(?)-level organization and the pause-function didn't seem to work. Came to the conclusion that it does not meet my expectations and erased it from hard disk. Maybe some of these issues could have been fixed, but frankly, if my initial impression about a game is negative, I don't give it a deeper look.

In contradiction to this I spent the better half of a week to evaluate the Harpoon ANW demo, before I purchased it in the end.

[Erik Rutins]

Understood, that experience is part of why demos can be a double edged sword. You can play with NATO symbols instead of the 3D models. You also have organization at the regiment and division levels, including an OOB pop-up that allows you to see your OOB hierarchy at any time. You can fully pause or run as slow as x0.100 speed, which is so slow that I can't even tell it's not paused.

As far as I can tell, what you observed had nothing to do with issues that needed fixing, but rather with the fact that after a quick look at the demo you didn't realize those features existed.

Regards,

- Erik

[JudgeDredd]

if my initial impression about a game is negative, I don't give it a deeper look

You need to post that over on this thread [:'(]

[Erik Rutins]

Just FYI, here's a screenshot showing an alternate simpler Map view, also with NATO symbols enabled and the OOB window shown, running at extremely slow speed. Also, the "hit point bars" actually show unit effectiveness and current strength, which is tracked in units like men, tanks and guns.

[Lützow]

I did post in this thread and agree with Erik, that demos can be indeed a double edged sword from a sales point. Sometimes it's simply better to not release one.

However, I mentioned Harpoon to make clear, that I'm thouroghly willing to put some commitment into a demo when the game can spark my interest.

[oldspec4]

Erik,

Is the x.10 speed from the game release? The Demo's lowest speed I believe is x.25. I'm an old guy and the slower the better for my aged reaction times.

[Erik Rutins]

Yes, the x0.100 speed is from our release version. I think the old demo may not go below x25 speed. x25 is a LOT faster than x0.100.

[JudgeDredd]

That does look sexy in a different kind of way...[&:]

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: oldspec4

I'm an old guy and the slower the better for my aged reaction times.

Just how old are you? I'm 54 and I need turn based, or RTS in turtle mode. [;)]

[oldspec4]

I'm a young 58, and like you, have pretty much gravitated to mostly turn based/slower RTS games.

[Lützow]

Listening to you makes me feel sooo young. [:D]

Anyway, I dislike reactive gameplay as well.

[Toby42]

ORIGINAL: oldspec4

I'm a young 58, and like you, have pretty much gravitated to mostly turn based/slower RTS games.

HAH!! I'm 66 and turned based is the only way for me to go [8|]

[oldspec4]

Now its my turn to feel young [:D]