City Supply Depots

[Kingmaker]

HiHi

Anyone else had this?

From ‘Another PBEM’

I went to war with Bavaria so as I could make use of the City supply base at Augsburg, it was undefended when my lads arrived so no battle, it's turned Spanish yellow but the Supply ring for Augsburg has disappeared and I now can't a build Supply depot there, the same has happened with the undefended cities of Hanover & La Havre, as it was under FoW I can’t quite make out if Brest Super fortress is also a supply city if it is then same applies.

1st time I have come across this, is it WaD, or have I misunderstood the patch upgrade re City Supply depots, I'm gonna garrison those cities this turn see what that does but in the meantime anyone know what goes down?

All the Best
Peter

[Mus]

I don't believe a occupied province is eligble to be a supply source. That's why the supply circle disappears when you occupy it.

[Russian Guard]

Correct, occupied cities cannot be used as a supply source; you have to fully own the provincee.

[barbarossa2]

Isn't a minor country which was neutral before you invaded it "part" of your country in the full sense of the word once you have occupied it? Why would he be having problems with Augsburg?

I am confused about "owning" vs. "occupying" a minor nation's provinces.

I feel that there is a gap in the rules for controlling these minor powers. Currently, in CoG:EE, as soon as you move into a minor power you control it just as if it were part of your own country (of course, excepting the unrest which occurs--but after that it may as well have been yours for 100 years).

It seems that it is too easy to add them to your country and make them a permanent part of your nation which is just as difficult to strip as any province you may have had since 1500. For instance, if France sucks up all of the German minor states, they become fully "part" of his country. When the Prussians or Austrians start rolling through them, it indicates that they are "occupied". I don't see this as being totally realistic. These smaller nations would still have a "memory" of their older insitutions. The State apparatus could quickly spring back into gear. Most lawmakers would still be alive. The longer the period of French occupation, the less likely this would be.

I really wish that with these provinces, there were an "in between" state. That is, if you move in and occupy a small country which you did not start the game with, it would take 10 years to really be a "part" of your country. Then, if you were defeated during the game at any point, these "half" annexed lands could be removed from your control more easily. Say for half the cost of removing a regular province or at close to the cost of liberating a protectorate. Additionally, when rolling through these "half annexed" nations, other nations would gain them as "half annexed" as well. Perhaps. Though I would have to do some more brain storming.

I know that it has become a strategy of mine in the game to quickly soak up as many minors before I am conquered so that I can end up ahead on the balance sheet in a defeat. However, historically, it is my perception that regions which had been held for a relatively short period of time WERE stripped from defeated nations relatively easily as I see it. If you had fought a war and conquered many smaller nations, when you lost, you generally had to give them up again pretty quickly. Borders were restored to their original states rather easily. It was taking provinces from nations which had been under their control for some time and everyone agreed belonged to someone which were hard to remove in any treaty--the collection of war trophies was easily stripped.

After France's collapse in the "Napoleonic Wars", France was restored to her 1792 borders relatively easily (with one treaty). However, in CoG:EE, if you were France, you would have to cede back only a couple of provinces at a time with each loss. If you had conquered all of Germany and Italy, then you would have 5-10 wars to work with before you were back down to your 1792 borders. Or? For some reason I don't think that is working quite right.

[Mus]

ORIGINAL: barbarossa2

After France's collapse in the "Napoleonic Wars", France was restored to her 1792 borders relatively easily (with one treaty). However, in CoG:EE, if you were France, you would have to cede back only a couple of provinces at a time with each loss. If you had conquered all of Germany and Italy, then you would have 5-10 wars to work with before you were back down to your 1792 borders. Or? For some reason I don't think that is working quite right.

Actually I think in game terms many of France's non-homeland possessions revolted as French National morale plummeted and then some minor ceding was done.

[Mus]

ORIGINAL: barbarossa2

Isn't a minor country which was neutral before you invaded it "part" of your country in the full sense of the word once you have occupied it? Why would he be having problems with Augsburg?

I am confused about "owning" vs. "occupying" a minor nation's provinces.

I would distinguish between them by using the terms conquered and occupied. Conquered, or owned, is when you have a solid color on the province. You control it in every way. Occupied is when you have a colored band around the inside of the province.

When you take a minor province it is only occupied until you take the capital. Then it is conquered. When you take a major province it is occupied until the war ends, then it is given back to the original owner once hostilities end.