AI not moving fuel overland

[IdahoNYer]

Guad scenario and Brisbane is completely dry on fuel while Sydney has over 30k. Any ideas why the AI isn't moving fuel to Brisbane?

[vlcz]

Rullebook, page 249
"A base may transfer supplies, oil, and resources to an adjacent base regardless of the terrain the separates the two hexes (allows inland sea movement of resources and oil).

No fuel transfer by land movement and fuel needs calculations only bring fuel by auto-convoy or by adjacent ports (9.3.3.3).

I dont know if it is different with fuel for HI (I hope so) or ou have to really deliver fuel to each port

[Remenents]

Dont feel bad, I am still awaiting my China area to recieve supplies. It has been 8 turns and I havent recieved any supplies and I am in desperate need.

[herwin]

ORIGINAL: vlcz

Rullebook, page 249
"A base may transfer supplies, oil, and resources to an adjacent base regardless of the terrain the separates the two hexes (allows inland sea movement of resources and oil).

No fuel transfer by land movement and fuel needs calculations only bring fuel by auto-convoy or by adjacent ports (9.3.3.3).

I dont know if it is different with fuel for HI (I hope so) or ou have to really deliver fuel to each port

Sounds like an oopsie--pipelines have been around for over a century, as have railroad tank cars.

[pompack]

ORIGINAL: vlcz

Rullebook, page 249
"A base may transfer supplies, oil, and resources to an adjacent base regardless of the terrain the separates the two hexes (allows inland sea movement of resources and oil).

No fuel transfer by land movement and fuel needs calculations only bring fuel by auto-convoy or by adjacent ports (9.3.3.3).

I dont know if it is different with fuel for HI (I hope so) or ou have to really deliver fuel to each port

Vicz:
I have tried to chase this down in the manual, but I have been unable to find anything like it. p249 is talking about transfers between adjacent bases regardless of the terrain that separates the two hexes. It says nothing about no fuel transfer by land movement, in fact I believe this referernce also contains a typo (leaving out fuel) since I think I have seen fuel transfer between adjacent ports.

Could you be more specified about where it states that there are no fuel transfers by land movement?

[IdahoNYer]

Fuel doesn't move by rail in AE? That seems to be a big change from WiTP.

So, the only way to get fuel from Sydney to Brisbane is run a coastal tanker convoy???

[vlcz]

ORIGINAL: pompack
Vicz:
I have tried to chase this down in the manual, but I have been unable to find anything like it. p249 is talking about transfers between adjacent bases regardless of the terrain that separates the two hexes.
It says nothing about no fuel transfer by land movement,

No, it doesn´t say "NO FUEL TRANSFER" specifically (sorry if I mislead you into believe it...[:(]), but it specifies the other three posible "shipments" name... and I can´t find anything about fuel transfer being allowed in any part of the manual?

Could you be more specified about where it states that there are no fuel transfers by land movement?

Nowhere, could you find where it states there allowed/implemented? [&:]

t, in fact I believe this referernce also contains a typo (leaving out fuel) since I think I have seen fuel transfer between adjacent ports.

sure, between ports ...but that is in rule 9.3.3.3 "AUTOMATIC TRANSFER OF BULK CARGO BETWEEN ADJACENT PORTS". And it species it moves by shipping, so no land movement of fuel here too....

I think it is not a typo, the main reason being that fuel has no use in an inland base (other than inland base has HI) , so the only movement would be from an inland refinery or to an inland HI...

[Smeulders]

On the second day of a GC as allies, Diamond Harbour always has massive amounts of fuel, but haven't noticed that on the first day, so I guess it must have gotten that from the rest of India.

[vlcz]

I have found another piece of the manual who  can be interpreted as fuel really redeploys...

same pg 249...
Supply comes in two categories:»
»Basic supplies, which are used to feed, clothe, arm, repair, and build land, sea, and air units.
»Fuel, which is used only for naval units.

.... If supply in this rule includes fuel, the assertion...

...overland. A base may transfer supplies, oil, and resources to an adjacent base...

could refer also to fuel indeed

I REALLY hope so, specially for fuel redeploy in japan , but in my own game (allied) I have the same problem as the original poster, with brisbane dry and Melbourne full of fuel.

[Mynok]

I don't understand what is confusing about the following line:

No fuel transfer by land movement and fuel needs calculations only bring fuel by auto-convoy or by adjacent ports (9.3.3.3).

[herwin]

ORIGINAL: Mynok


I don't understand what is confusing about the following line:

No fuel transfer by land movement and fuel needs calculations only bring fuel by auto-convoy or by adjacent ports (9.3.3.3).

The introduction of fuel as an input to HI implies this is an oopsie.

[vlcz]

ORIGINAL: Mynok


I don't understand what is confusing about the following line:

No fuel transfer by land movement and fuel needs calculations only bring fuel by auto-convoy or by adjacent ports (9.3.3.3).

No fuel transfer by land movement

The confusing part is that it doesn´t exist [:'(] it is taken from my post , in reviewing it lacks an end " sign, the extracted part is
"A base may transfer supplies, oil, and resources to an adjacent base regardless of the terrain the separates the two hexes (allows inland sea movement of resources and oil)."

the line pointed is my own "derived consecuence" and the (9.3.3.3) is apointer to the only rule who explicity allows some fuel to move... so my fault if the " causes a mistake [8|]

[Mynok]

Ah, your section reference made it appear to be a quote from the manual.

Not sure why it would be considered an oopsie. Were pipelines really ubiquitous? I would think most fuel transfer at the time would have been done via rail.

[Smeulders]

ORIGINAL: Mynok


Ah, your section reference made it appear to be a quote from the manual.

Not sure why it would be considered an oopsie. Were pipelines really ubiquitous? I would think most fuel transfer at the time would have been done via rail.

I think that's the only way to transport fuel, by major railway, but most bases on East Australia are connected with it and still fuel doesn't always move there.

[herwin]

ORIGINAL: Mynok


Ah, your section reference made it appear to be a quote from the manual.

Not sure why it would be considered an oopsie. Were pipelines really ubiquitous? I would think most fuel transfer at the time would have been done via rail.

Pipelines were common and tank cars were ubiquitous.

[Mynok]

And tank cars were used for lots of things besides just fuel.

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Mynok
I don't understand what is confusing about the following line:

No fuel transfer by land movement and fuel needs calculations only bring fuel by auto-convoy or by adjacent ports (9.3.3.3).

Absolutely. Puh leeze! This is a game for chris-sakes. Pipelines were a national endeavor, and very expensive; pipelines are a non-starter. Tank cars are horse-shoot; you only have tank cars on rails to service the needs of the railroad at the time. Who gives a crap if tank cars were known? They weren't there where you want them, because they weren't there in the first place. And just how do you expect the game to know just which railroad may have had tank cars and which didn't?

Fuel was moved, generally, by trucks, and planes, and ships. Really don't care much about specific instances of this & that, it was moved, generally, by trucks, and planes, and ships, and that's how it's done in the game.

As Mars Boy says - No fuel transfer by land movement and fuel needs calculations only bring fuel by auto-convoy or by adjacent ports (9.3.3.3) Just gonna have to play the hand you are dealt.

[vaned74]

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Seems like it will be fixed and fuel will move inland to service HI in the next patch. Don't particularly care myself if it gets there by tank car, ox cart, or peasant coolie...just as long as it gets there.

This will help inland Manchurian cities but will also be big for Chinese supply production lines for the heavy industry in Chungking, Changsha, Chengtu, Kunming, etc. China needs every ton of supply it can get.

[Mynok]

[:D] Actually vlcz said that first, and I thought he was quoting the rule book because of his reference. Apparently he wasn't, but that statement does seem to reflect the rules.

Do have to wonder why oil moves about but fuel doesn't though. Resources and supply are pretty obvious.

[Shark7]

ORIGINAL: vaned74

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Seems like it will be fixed and fuel will move inland to service HI in the next patch. Don't particularly care myself if it gets there by tank car, ox cart, or peasant coolie...just as long as it gets there.

This will help inland Manchurian cities but will also be big for Chinese supply production lines for the heavy industry in Chungking, Changsha, Chengtu, Kunming, etc. China needs every ton of supply it can get.

I just had this vision of a bucket brigade passing fuel in a 5 gallon bucket from Rangoon all the way to Chungking when I read that. [:D]