on a lighter side

[bo]

Need some help please, when France surrenders and a Vichy state is established I lost all of my German units in the Vichy area, and also Italian units fighting the French in North Africa, when offered the option of Vichy France should I just fight on until all french units are destroyed? Also Russia attacked me in October 1940. Where did I make a mistake was it with Romania? What do I have to do to not have Russia attack me until I am fully ready to fight them?

Bo

[cpdeyoung]

I lost all of my German units in the Vichy area, and also Italian units fighting the French in North Africa

The units that were in the Vichy area are in your "Available for deploy" pool.

What do I have to do to not have Russia attack me until I am fully ready to fight them?

Join the Comintern.

Chuck

[bo]

ORIGINAL: cpdeyoung

I lost all of my German units in the Vichy area, and also Italian units fighting the French in North Africa

The units that were in the Vichy area are in your "Available for deploy" pool.

What do I have to do to not have Russia attack me until I am fully ready to fight them?

Join the Comintern.

Chuck

Thank you CP for the first answer, the second one I am not sure about, pulling my leg a little, at least with all my faults on these posts I would help out a poster who posed a question to me, then again I am not in the click. Could anyone else help me please?

Bo

[cpdeyoung]

Please do not be so sensitive about a weak attempt at humor. I honestly thought you were joking when you asked.

There is nothing I know of that will stop the AI from attacking you when it wants to, nor, in my opinion, should there be. You must have enough garrison troops in the East to hold for awhile if you get attacked, just as any nation at war must defend borders where no active campaign is going on. I am sure Stalin wished Hitler had waited until the Soviets were "fully ready to fight them" before Barbarossa.

I do know something which will "invite" an attack from the Soviets. Trying to roll up the Baltic States while at "peace" with the USSR will draw a declaration of war quickly as happened in my AAR.

Chuck (just me, no clique here)

[gwgardner]

Yeah, Chuck formed the click. Don't let him fool you.

By the way, I'm just now reading a new book on the War in the East, based upon in depth research into Soviet archives opened in the last two decades. There's a whole chapter on the Red Army dispositions in 1940-41, and a review of various war plans. The gist is that the forward placement of Soviet troops throughout that period was not merely to consolidate the new territorial acquisitions, but was in part because of various war plans for an 'preemptive' offensive against Germany. The author's opinion was that Stalin was determined on such an offensive by '42. And that the otherwise incomprehensible Stavka orders in the first week or so of Barbarossa were a reflection of indecision on whether to go ahead and launch the offensive in the face of the German assault.

In short, as Chuck said, in ToW you gotta be ready!

[bo]

ORIGINAL: cpdeyoung

Please do not be so sensitive about a weak attempt at humor. I honestly thought you were joking when you asked.

There is nothing I know of that will stop the AI from attacking you when it wants to, nor, in my opinion, should there be. You must have enough garrison troops in the East to hold for awhile if you get attacked, just as any nation at war must defend borders where no active campaign is going on. I am sure Stalin wished Hitler had waited until the Soviets were "fully ready to fight them" before Barbarossa.

I do know something which will "invite" an attack from the Soviets. Trying to roll up the Baltic States while at "peace" with the USSR will draw a declaration of war quickly as happened in my AAR.

Chuck (just me, no clique here)

Ok I thought I was catching it for my adamant stand on building units and also in SC Russia never attacks if you keep a couple of units in predesignated hex's, but that is in their rule book I saw nothing one way or the other here about it in TOW thank you for your help.

Bo

[axisandallies]

ORIGINAL: gwgardner

Yeah, Chuck formed the click. Don't let him fool you.

By the way, I'm just now reading a new book on the War in the East, based upon in depth research into Soviet archives opened in the last two decades. There's a whole chapter on the Red Army dispositions in 1940-41, and a review of various war plans. The gist is that the forward placement of Soviet troops throughout that period was not merely to consolidate the new territorial acquisitions, but was in part because of various war plans for an 'preemptive' offensive against Germany. The author's opinion was that Stalin was determined on such an offensive by '42. And that the otherwise incomprehensible Stavka orders in the first week or so of Barbarossa were a reflection of indecision on whether to go ahead and launch the offensive in the face of the German assault.

In short, as Chuck said, in ToW you gotta be ready!

Name of book? this sounds good>

[gwgardner]

Absolute War: Soviet Russia in the Second World War by Chris Bellamy, 2007.

chapters like:

5 Who Planned to Attack Whom

6 The War's Worst-kept Secret

In chapter 1 he talks about the long-term consequences of the war for Russia. It was really shocking to look at a graph of population groups by age/generation, showing the typical approx. 50% male/female spread, but for the group born from about 1915 to 1925 - those who made up the bulk of the soldiers in WWII. In that age group, the number of males still alive in 1990 are 1/4 that of females.

[axisandallies]

ORIGINAL: gwgardner

Absolute War: Soviet Russia in the Second World War by Chris Bellamy, 2007.

chapters like:

5 Who Planned to Attack Whom

6 The War's Worst-kept Secret

In chapter 1 he talks about the long-term consequences of the war for Russia. It was really shocking to look at a graph of population groups by age/generation, showing the typical approx. 50% male/female spread, but for the group born from about 1915 to 1925 - those who made up the bulk of the soldiers in WWII. In that age group, the number of males still alive in 1990 are 1/4 that of females.

I have read the USSR lost some 20-30 million. The last 2 weeks of the war the USSR lost over 350,000 killed on the drive to Berlin. USA lost some 256,000 killed in WW2.

[AH4Ever]

Has anyone tried dishonoring the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact?

If the USSR chooses the "Death to Fascists" option it seems to prevent all of Russia's land grabbing and since Germany has just taken Poland they are able to take on the USSR from a much better jump-off point. Of course you have to be willing to extend the Phony War as long as possible.

[Anraz]

ORIGINAL: axisandallies

I have read the USSR lost some 20-30 million.

Latest Russian research says about 31 millions, almost half of them were soldiers (what means that every year USRR lost several millions of soldiers). 20 millions figure was post war Soviet estimation which was reduced intentionally for propaganda reasons.

[AH4Ever]

Approximately 11,215 KIA per DAY counting from 22/6/1941 to 8/5/1945.

Incomprehensible.

Definitely NOT the lighter side.

[micheljq]

ORIGINAL: AH4Ever

Has anyone tried dishonoring the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact?

If the USSR chooses the "Death to Fascists" option it seems to prevent all of Russia's land grabbing and since Germany has just taken Poland they are able to take on the USSR from a much better jump-off point. Of course you have to be willing to extend the Phony War as long as possible.

As Germany, if you do not want USSR to attack you in 1940, I strongly suggest you honor this pact.

[Anraz]

ORIGINAL: AH4Ever
Approximately 11,215 KIA per DAY counting from 22/6/1941 to 8/5/1945.
Incomprehensible.
Definitely NOT the lighter side.

Zhukov itself in 41 and 42 have several period during many early counteroffensives when he was loosing around 8k solders per day.

[AH4Ever]

ORIGINAL: AH4Ever

Has anyone tried dishonoring the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact?

ORIGINAL: micheljq

As Germany, if you do not want USSR to attack you in 1940, I strongly suggest you honor this pact.

I've tried this twice with 1.50 against the AI. It is meant to take out Russia before they get cranking, so they won't be able to invade.

Some day I'll try it with 1.60 against a Huu-Mon and it will probably fail miserably. [X(]

[axisandallies]

ORIGINAL: AH4Ever

Approximately 11,215 KIA per DAY counting from 22/6/1941 to 8/5/1945.

Incomprehensible.

Definitely NOT the lighter side.

I think the Eastern front, or the German war on the USSR, was the most terrible, horrible thing to ever have happened in human history. I cannot fathom the cost in human lives. To think that Stalin alone was responible for at least 30 million deaths of his own people.

[AH4Ever]

I think Hitler and his insane sadistic bunch were just as responsible. Don't you?

[axisandallies]

ORIGINAL: AH4Ever

I think Hitler and his insane sadistic bunch were just as responsible. Don't you?

Yes let there be no mistake, Hitler was the only reason why WW2 started in the Europe. We all know Hitler was insane, however the more I read on Stalin, the more I feel what a monster he really was, who morns for the 8 million Ukraines that Stalin not by his own hands but by words and actions had killed?

[Anraz]

ORIGINAL: axisandallies


Yes let there be no mistake, Hitler was the only reason why WW2 started in the Europe.

I`m sorry to say this but you`ve just make a common mistake.

Stalin was as guilty as Hitler. Both leaders led us to ww2. Stalin, as Soviet ruler, had made plans which were realizing even before Hitler was a German ruler, the plans which finally led us to ww2. Hitler spoiled part of those plans...

[axisandallies]

ORIGINAL: Anraz

ORIGINAL: axisandallies


Yes let there be no mistake, Hitler was the only reason why WW2 started in the Europe.

I`m sorry to say this but you`ve just make a common mistake.

Stalin was as guiI`mlty as Hitler. Both leaders led us to ww2. Stalin, as Soviet ruler, had made plans which were realizing even before Hitler was a German ruler, the plans which finally led us to ww2. Hitler spoiled part of those plans...

I understand your point of view, however it was England and France that declared war on Germany. I think that yes, Stalin would have attacked the west, he's thinking was that Germany and the West would so weaken themselfs that all of Europe would be his for the taking.