Optional rule 12.2.2 NAVAL RAIDING.

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12.2.2 NAVAL RAIDING: For each sea area adjacent to Great Britain that contains an enemy fleet(s), British colonial trade is reduced by 5 money points (maximum reduction to "0"). (CLARIFICATION: This is determined during an Economic Phase.)

This is a rule I personally had never heard off until Bresh drew it to my attention,I was wondering what gamers think about this being implemented into the computer version as an option?
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Hello Hellfire:

I have played with this rule many times. (Though never as GB). Its net effect, however, has been minimal though as fleets either never get to sea (usual) or GB is already trounced. It is most applicable to an already-defeated-once GB. There it could be very decisive.

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I think it is a good think to implement. It made for some real blocus option.

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No reason it shouldn't be in the game, it is not interactive just a situational event in Economic Phase. 
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Is this what the optional piracy rules all about?
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No, Piracy and blocus are two different things.

Piracy is about Ocean warfare, very far from the coast. Blocus is made by heavy ship in coastal water.

As a matter of fact Piracy is about sneakyyness, so can be use by nation with inferior naval strength. Whereas blocus reflect naval superiority. I think that this option is the parallel with the blocade of continental port (in the blocade box thought).

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12.2.2 NAVAL RAIDING: For each sea area adjacent to Great Britain that contains an enemy fleet(s), British colonial trade is reduced by 5 money points (maximum reduction to "0"). (CLARIFICATION: This is determined during an Economic Phase.)

This is a rule I personally had never heard off until Bresh drew it to my attention,I was wondering what gamers think about this being implemented into the computer version as an option?

Never heard of this one??? Where is this one?
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Hi Marshall,
During a recent debate with Bresh,he informed me about this optional rule,so I thought I would ask other gamers what they thought about it,I also checked online and got a list of Optional rules used for EIA.

12.0 Miscellaneous Options

12.1 *REINFORCEMENT OPTIONS:

12.1.1 MILITIA CONVERSION: During a Money and Manower Expenditure Step, while at war with no other major power, a major power's player may remove any militia factors located in controlled home nation territory from the map and pay three money points per militia factor to "convert" them to regular infantry factors. These new regular infantry factors are returned to the map as reinforcements three months later (ie., the same as newly-purchased regular infantry factors).

12.1.2 SHIP BUILDING LOCATIONS: When ships are purchased, the exact port or ports where these ships will become available when completed (ie., where they are being "built") must be noted and announced (their building is common knowledge). These ports are the only ones where these ships can become available as reinforcements.
12.1.2.1: If a port city containing building and/or completed but unassigned ships is occupied by an enemy, all of these major power ships are considered to be destroyed.
12.1.2.2: If a minor free state port city containing building and/or completed but unassigned ships is occupied by an enemy, these minor power ships are not necessarily considered to be destroyed and, if building, construction can continue normally, as the major power that took the port desires (competitive die rolls determine the ships' fate if a mixed force occupies the port and agreement cannot be reached). Control of these ships will eventually go to the major power that controls both the minor country fleet counter and the port, so that the ships can be transferred to the fleet.

12.2 *NAVAL OPTIONS:

12.2.1 OPTIONAL SEA CROSSING ARROWS:
12.2.1.1 CHANNEL ARROW: Consider that there is a sea crossing arrow between the Lille area and the area east of Portsmouth.
12.2.1.2 DANISH/SWEDISH SEA CROSSING ARROWS: These areas are extremely narrow and could be dominated even by the guns of the period. A fleet in the sea area cannot block any of the sea crossing arrows in Denmark or the one connecting the Copenhagen and Malmo areas if enemy corps and/or garrisons are located in both land areas connected by the arrows.

12.2.2 NAVAL RAIDING: For each sea area adjacent to Great Britain that contains an enemy fleet(s), British colonial trade is reduced by 5 money points (maximum reduction to "0"). (CLARIFICATION: This is determined during an Economic Phase.)

12.2.3 MOVING LARGE FLEETS/TRANSPORTS: Larger fleets or fleets conveying transports are not as mobile as smaller fleets.
12.2.3.1: These rules apply to fleets in an area that are all controlled by one major power and/or using combined movement. They do not apply to fleets in the same area that are controlled by different major powers that are not using combined movement.
12.2.3.2: Any fleet starting its Naval Phase in a stack where some or all of the fleets are transporting corps and/or contain a depot for invasion supply loses "-1" movement point off of its movement allowance for the Naval Phase.
12.2.3.3: Any fleet starting its Naval Phase in a stack loses “-1" movement point off of its movement allowance for the Naval Phase per fleet in the stack in excess of one fleet. For example, the movement allowance in a stack of two fleets would be reduced to "6" and, in a stack of three fleets, would be reduced to "5".
12.2.3.4: Rules 12.2.3.2 and 12.2.3.3 are cumulative if both apply. However, the maximum movement allowance reduction that ever applies is "-3" movement points --a movement allowance of "4" movement points is the least to which a stack can be reduced.
12.2.3.5: These movement allowance reductions apply only to to normal naval movement --they do not apply for naval retreat and pursuit movements.

12.2.4 REDUCED NAVAL TRANSPORT CAPACITY: If this option is used, rule 6.2.5 is modified to redefine carrying capacity. Fleets may carry no more than 10 army factors each, regardless of how these are organized into corps (the army factors must still be in corps). If transporting fleets are eliminated, all excess army factors that they were transporting are also eliminated --these losses may be taken from various corps, if desired.

12.2.5 PROPORTIONAL NAVAL LOSSES: When a stack of fleets of mixed nationalities (including minor country nationalities) participates in a combat, the losses it takes should be as nearly proportional to the starting proportions as possible. Round ".5" and above up. When proportions do not "round out" precisely, an "odd" loss or losses should be assigned by mutual agreement or, if agreement cannot be reached, by competitive die rolls. For example, a stack of fleets totalling 68 ships contains 36 British (52.9 %), 20 Swedish (29.4 %) and 12 Portuguese (17.7%) ships and loses 10 ships in a naval combat. The losses should be 5.29 (5) British, 2.94 (3) Swedish and 1.77 (2) Portuguese ships.

12.3 LAND OPTIONS:

12.3.1 SUPPLY LIMITS PER DEPOT: Each individual depot that is a supply source source or part of a valid supply chain may only be used to supply a maximum of four corps and/or besieged garrisons.

12.3.2 BRITISH TRAINING: Great Britain proved quite adept at turning certain minor country troops into first-class soldiers, notably the Portuguese and Hanoverian (the "King's German Legion" or "KGL") troops that they trained. Under this option, after 24 continuous months as a British-controlled minor free state, the morale of the army factors in the Hanover or Portugal corps is considered to be "4.0" for both infantry and cavalry in those corps. Garrison infantry factors of these nationalities retain their usual ("2.0") morale.

12.3.3 CAVALRY OPTIONS:
12.3.3.1 CAVALRY SUPERIORITY: If a side has at least twice as many cavalry factors (including cossacks and freikorps) as the other side at the beginning of any round of a field, limited field or trivial combat (if necessary, recalculate the number of cavalry factors present for every combat round), the superior side gets "+1" added to its combat die roll. NOTES: The net maximum modifier to a combat die roll for all modifiers is "+1" Cavalry factors in an outflanking force are not counted for cavalry superiority until the outflanking force "arrives" (see 7.5.2.12). Cavalry factors in an outflanking force that has arrived are not counted as double factors for purposes of determining cavalry superiority. This rule does not apply if all factors on both sides are cavalry.
12.3.3.2 CAVALRY WITHDRAWALS: A defending cavalry corps, or any corps with a movement value of “5" stacked alone or only with other cavalry corps and/or cossacks/freikorps has its strategic rating (or that of its commanding leader) increased by "+1" for withdrawal purposes only (see 7.5.2.5.2.2). This rule does not apply if the attacker is also an all cavalry force (Errata:) or if the commanding leader has a strategic rating of 5.

12.3.4 GUARD COMMITMENT: Before the resolution of a combat round commences (see 7.5.2.8 for sequencing), a player with a guard or grenadier corps involved may choose to "commit the guard" and announces that this is being done. If a force includes guard or grenadier corps of two or more nationalities, only one corps may be used for this purpose. A player may do this only once per day of combat.
12.3.4.1: If both sides have guard and/or grenadier corps, the decision to commit or not and (if applicable) the number of morale levels of the shift must be written down by both side's players at the start of every combat round and revealed simultaneously.
12.3.4.2: The effect of committing the guard is to increase the morale level used on the Combat Resolution Table by "+1" or "+2". For example, the "3-2" combat table becomes the "3-3" (increased by "+1") or "3-4" (increased by "+2") combat table.
12.3.4.3: Only two or more guard factors of French and/or Russian guards may be used to attempt to increase the morale level by “+2". One or more guard factors of Austrian, French, Prussian and/or Russian guard factors may be used to increase the morale level by "+1". Despite these minimums, all available guard factors of a nationality that is committed must be used for this. British and/or Spanish guard factors may not be committed.
12.3.4.4: The player who commits his guard then consults the GUARD COMMITMENT TABLE on the Game Card and rolls a die. The die roll is cross-referenced with the column showing the number of morale levels shifted. The result is the number of guard factors automatically lost (in addition to any that may be lost during the coming combat round).
12.3.4.5: If at least one guard factor of the committed nationality is left, then the combat round proceeds, with the modified morale level. The lost guard factors do not participate in the combat round. If all committed guard factors were lost, then the committing side is automatically considered to break without fighting that combat round (although the opposing side still fights).
12.3.4.6: If at least one guard factor survives and the combat round is fought with the modified morale level, the other side must be broken during that combat round or the side that committed the guard is automatically considered to be broken.

12.3.5 ARTILLERY CORPS: The French and Russian major powers each have the use of an artillery corps. These have special uses during field and limited field combats, trivial combats and limited field combats. These special uses do not apply during siege assaults or defender attacks (unless a relieving force is available for a limited field combat).
12.3.5.1: In every combat round (see 7.5.2.8 for sequencing) the artillery may be used to "bombard" before normal combat is resolved, the casualties inflicted by bombardment taking no part in later combat. If both sides possess artillery, the bombardment losses are considered to be determined simultaneously.
12.3.5.2: The losses removed by bombardment may not be militia, where possible, if the side taking the bombardment losses already has a morale loss of "2.0" or greater.
12.3.5.3: Artillery bombardment inflicts only casualties --it has no effect on morale (ignore morale losses when doing an artillery bombardment).
12.3.5.4: Artillery always bombards using the "5-5" table, irrespective of the tables being used for the normal combat round. Artillery bombardment is unaffected by any terrain other than marsh --there can be no bombardment in marsh terrain, although the artillery factors still particpate in normal combat.
12.3.5.5: Artillery also takes part during the normal combat round (ie., when used for bombardment it effectively gets to fight twice).
12.3.5.6: If at any time during a combat round a side (or the pinning force of a side) consists of only artillery factors, that side is automatically considered to break.

12.3.6 PROPORTIONAL LAND LOSSES: When army factors of mixed nationality (including minor country nationalities) participate in a combat, the losses suffered should be as nearly proportional to the starting proportions as possible. Round ".5" and above up. When proportions do not "round out" precisely, an "odd" loss or losses should be assigned by mutual agreement or, if agreement cannot be reached, by competitive die rolls. Once the number of army factors lost by each contingent are determined the controlling players decide the types of factors to be lost by each contingent (within the normal limits for militia, cavalry, guard, etc. factors that must be lost by the whole army) by mutual agreement or, if impossible, by competitive die rolls.

12.3.7 ARMY LEADER OPTIONS:
12.3.7.1 CORPS LEADERS: For purposes of combats (although without a leader counter corps must still attempt to withdraw or reinforce individually), when no leader is available for a multi-corps force and the best corps rating is used, treat these best corps ratings the same as if the force were commanded by a leader with those strategic and tactical ratings and a tactical maximum rating of "1" and modify accordingly (see 10.6.1.2.1).
12.3.7.2 FURTHER TACTICAL RATING REDUCTIONS: This option extends rule 10.6.1.2.1 by allowing a commander with three times the corps of the tactical maximum rating to have the tactical rating reduced by “- 3", with four times the corps to be be reduced by "-4", etc. The tactical rating can still never be reduced to below zero.
12.3.7.3 NAPOLEON'S RATINGS: Napoleon's military skill slipped noticeably as he got older. If this option is used, the NAPOLEON leader's tactical rating is reduced to "4" starting in January, 1809 and the strategic rating is reduced to "4" starting in January, 1812. These reductions do not apply for combats fought within the original French home nation boundaries.

12.3.8 DETACHING/ABSORBING MINOR FREE STATE FACTORS: If players wish to allow free state factors to be detached as garrisons outside of the free state's borders, they may do so, but the players must keep side notes on the nationalities of garrisons, mark nationalities on gray garrison/strength counters placed outside of a free state's borders or make their own garrison/strength counters for the various possible minor free states.

(Errata:) 12.3.9: NO CEDING: Allow the ceding of minor countries only as a peace term and at no other times.

(Errata:) 12.3.10 OVERWHELMING NUMBERS: Field or limited field combats where one side has a 5:1 or better ratio in strength factors must be resolved using trivial combat. EXCEPTION: An outnumbered defender may attempt to withdraw before the trivial combat by rolling the commander's strategic rating or less.

12.4 *PEACE TREATY LIMITED ACCESS: This option supercedes the force repatriation rules in 4.4.6.2 and forces are not repatriated when peace is made. Instead, when peace is made, the former enemies have a period of automatic "limited access" to get their forces out of the former enemy power's territory.
12.4.1 GARRISONS: By the end of three Land Phases after peace is made, all garrison factors must be out of the other major power's cities. In the case of a victor that chose peace condition C.5, the requirement is reduced to getting garrisons out of the capital cities during this period.
12.4.2 CORPS, FLEETS AND DEPOTS: By the end of six Land Phases after peace is made, all corps, fleets, depots and depot garrison factors must be out of the other major power's territory. This requirement can be ignored by a victor that chose peace condition C.5.
12.4.3 FAILURE TO LEAVE: Any forces that have not met the requirements in 12.4.1 and 12.4.2 in the required times must be demobilized and/or scuttled during the next Reinforcement Phase (NOTE: rule 5.1.4.2 limitations on scuttling may be ignored to meet this requirement) unless the major power controlling the territory grants voluntary access (see 10.3).

12.5 *ECONOMIC MANIPULATION: Economic manipulation simulates the ability of a major power to control its economy to gain the additional political points, money or manpower that are needed. Economic manipulation takes place during the Manipulation Step of an Economic Phase (see 8.4). Performing economic manipulation consists of first recording changes from the last economic manipulation setting and then resetting the ECONOMIC MANIPULATION DISPLAY on side one of each major power's National Card (even if side two is used for everything else, this display on side one should be used with this option during a campaign game) for the next economic manipulation. The setting is always in the "0" square at the start of a campaign and 8.4.1 restrictions can limit the ability to use other settings.
12.5.1 RECORDING ECONOMIC MANIPULATION: Major powers gain or lose the number of political points specified by the large Political Status Adjustment ("PSA") number in the square of its ECONOMIC MANIPULATION DISPLAY in which that major power's economic manipulation marker is positioned. This square also specifies gains or losses in money and/or manpower. Record any political point changes on the POLITICAL STATUS DISPLAY on the Status Card and add or subtract the money and manpower from the totals determined during the Money and Manpower Collection Step.
12.5.2 SETTING ECONOMIC MANIPULATION: The owning player then sets the economic manipulation marker's position to any square on the ECONOMIC MANIPULATION DISPLAY. This position specifies the PSA number and amount of money andior manpower to be gained or lost in the next Economic Phase's Manipulation Step.

12.6 BLANK FORMS: Copies of the blank forms found on side two of the Minor Countries and National Card and the back of the Status card can be filled out and used to provide a written record of when and what happened. Copies of these forms, when cut apart and filled in, not only provide reference during a game but, if used faithfully, they can provide a good record of the major events in a game. Some samples are filled in below.

12.7 LEADER CASUALTIES: After the completion of a field or limited field combat, a trivial combat, or a naval combat, each side with a leader or leaders present checks to see if any became casualties in the combat by rolling two dice. Rolling a "12" indicates a leader casualty. If a casualty is indicated, randomly choose a leader counter from among those present (if more than one is present) and roll one die for the chosen leader. If a "6" is rolled, the leader casualty is "killed" and taken permanently from the game. On any other roll, the leader casualty is "wounded" and taken from the map for a number of complete months equal to the die roll number.

12.8 *ALLIED VOLUNTARY ACCESS: Amend the rules in 10.3.1.2.2. to state that voluntary access may be granted only to an ally.

12.9 *AMERICAN TRADE OPTION: The War of 1812 between Great Britain and the United States was to some extent "engineered" by Napoleon and his "continental system". In this option, if peace condition B.6 is applied to stop a major power's American trade, this counts as a major power denied trade with America for the die roll required in 8.2.1.2.2.2.2 and the British must make the die roll during any Money and Manpower collection step in which any major powers are denied American trade by Britain and/or by the B.6 peace condition.
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Marshal, I confirm, all the non-errata rules are in the rule book
(Errata:) 12.3.9: NO CEDING: Allow the ceding of minor countries only as a peace term and at no other times.


I don't see the rational behind this one or may it is unclear. It might be better to say controlled minor or ceded province can only be conquer as a peace term. That would make more sense.
(Errata:) 12.3.10 OVERWHELMING NUMBERS: Field or limited field combats where one side has a 5:1 or better ratio in strength factors must be resolved using trivial combat. EXCEPTION: An outnumbered defender may attempt to withdraw before the trivial combat by rolling the commander's strategic rating or less.


Good one. Is it implemented?
12.4 *PEACE TREATY LIMITED ACCESS: This option supercedes the force repatriation rules in 4.4.6.2 and forces are not repatriated when peace is made. Instead, when peace is made, the former enemies have a period of automatic "limited access" to get their forces out of the former enemy power's territory.
12.4.1 GARRISONS: By the end of three Land Phases after peace is made, all garrison factors must be out of the other major power's cities. In the case of a victor that chose peace condition C.5, the requirement is reduced to getting garrisons out of the capital cities during this period.
12.4.2 CORPS, FLEETS AND DEPOTS: By the end of six Land Phases after peace is made, all corps, fleets, depots and depot garrison factors must be out of the other major power's territory. This requirement can be ignored by a victor that chose peace condition C.5.
12.4.3 FAILURE TO LEAVE: Any forces that have not met the requirements in 12.4.1 and 12.4.2 in the required times must be demobilized and/or scuttled during the next Reinforcement Phase (NOTE: rule 5.1.4.2 limitations on scuttling may be ignored to meet this requirement) unless the major power controlling the territory grants voluntary access (see 10.3).


Another rule only half implemented. Actually we have limited access BUT if we don't move the corps are rapatriated NOT destroyed (according to computer rule book I will have to test). I definetly prefer this option the hard way, I always hate teleportation of troops (this is NOT Star Trek).

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We have implemented the temp access rule which allows 3 months access after a peace is settled to avoid teleportations!
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Marshall, in the game manual page 37 this was old rules, below I quote 1.06 manual (p32) with the limited access.
Temporary Access: All forces belonging to either side have a three-month grace period to move
in the other side’s territory. If, after three land phases, there are forces from one of these Major
Powers still inside of the other’s territory, the program will repatriate the land forces to the nearest
supply source, or to the nearest unbesieged controlled city in that Major Power’s home nation,
ceded province, or controlled minor country. Fleets will be moved out to the nearest sea area.
Also note that during this temporary period of access that foreign forces will not be allowed into
the provincial capital cities (Major or minor).

As you can read, there are still repatriation of forces (ie teleportation) but after the limit access time period. In the original rules the corps stand down (ie are lost).

I rekown the manual can be wrong, but when I read the limited access rules is not fully implemented.

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You're lucky because we were teleporting at first and did not implement temp access.
Are you saying that after the temp access the corps should be removed along with the factors?

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Are you saying that after the temp access the corps should be removed along with the factors?


Yes, it is what I am saying.
12.4.3 FAILURE TO LEAVE: Any forces that have not met the requirements in 12.4.1 and 12.4.2 in the required times must be demobilized and/or scuttled during the next Reinforcement Phase (NOTE: rule 5.1.4.2 limitations on scuttling may be ignored to meet this requirement) unless the major power controlling the territory grants voluntary access (see 10.3).

As you have coded the teleportation, you should left it as an option (as in the original game).

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What does everybody else think about this?
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