That's it for me.....

Reverberate · Post by **Reverberate** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:14 pm

How can you continue play a game where something like this is can happen? These super subs, after finishing of two CV's, turned on and sank an escorting DD. MOI=WWI

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 27, 42
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Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-24, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles
DD Farenholt

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Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-10

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles
DD Farenholt

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Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-158, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles
DD Farenholt

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Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-10

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
CLAA San Juan

ues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-24, hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Laffey, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA Juneau
DD McCalla
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles

Canoerebel · Post by **Canoerebel** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:14 pm

And your point is?

Reverberate · Post by **Reverberate** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:16 pm

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
And your point is?

That reading is not one of your strengths.......

Menser · Post by **Menser** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:17 pm

It's ok man ....they just attacked the DD cause there were no more CV's to shoot.

Canoerebel · Post by **Canoerebel** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:18 pm

[:D]

You lose two CVs and a DD and you think that's somehow not within the realm of possibility?

Reverberate · Post by **Reverberate** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:20 pm

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
[:D]
You lose two CVs and a DD and you think that's somehow not within the realm of possibility?

Not in any game that I intend to play......

chesmart · Post by **chesmart** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:20 pm

Those sub commanders are good. Historically in the battle for the Philippine sea US subs did worse if i recall correctly.

fflaguna · Post by **fflaguna** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:20 pm

It is already December 12th, 1941 in my PBEM and I am not seeing this issue...

Also, grats to the player who was able to score all those hits. I do believe it was in another thread here.

jrlans · Post by **jrlans** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:22 pm

The only real problem i have with this is that the subs werent toasted by allied ASW and managed to get second and third shots off which to me means they were prety close to the CVs. I peronaly think that allied ASW (while by no means great in 42) is a bit understated.

Canoerebel · Post by **Canoerebel** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:23 pm

ORIGINAL: Reverberate

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
[:D]
You lose two CVs and a DD and you think that's somehow not within the realm of possibility?
Not in any game that I intend to play......

Picking up your marbles and going home, eh?

Q-Ball · Post by **Q-Ball** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:25 pm

I completely agree, check out this BS that just happened to me. No way this could happen!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 15, 42
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Sub attack near Lunga at 114,139

Japanese Ships
SS I-19, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Wasp, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB North Carolina
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD O'Brien
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Knavey
DD Farenholt
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Sub attack near Lunga at 114,139

Japanese Ships
SS I-19

Allied Ships
CV Wasp, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB North Carolina, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD O'Brien
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Knavey
DD Farenholt
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Sub attack near Lunga at 114,139

Japanese Ships
SS I-19, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Wasp, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB North Carolina
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD O'Brien, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Knavey
DD Farenholt

3 Attacks in one phase? With 2 ships sunk? Borked!

jrlans · Post by **jrlans** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:28 pm

where are the DDs? After the first 3 hits there should be no place for the sub to hide let alone reload and relaunch. Honestly if allied asw was this bad germany would have forced britian into peace by destroying every merchant in the atlantic.

Altaris · Post by **Altaris** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:29 pm

I'm not going to say the results are anywhere near feasible, but I am finding in my games that if you stick at least 8 DDs in a TF, it pretty much nullifies sub attacks. Anything less than that runs this danger. Not sure why 8 seems to be the magic number, but I've yet to have any successful sub attacks against any TF with this many DDs in it.
 
So I just use that as a rule of thumb, for important TFs, I always go with at least 8 DDs.

Jones944 · Post by **Jones944** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:31 pm

Too funny! [:'(]

WLockard · Post by **WLockard** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:33 pm

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I completely agree, check out this BS that just happened to me. No way this could happen!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 15, 42
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Lunga at 114,139

Japanese Ships
SS I-19, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Wasp, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB North Carolina
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD O'Brien
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Knavey
DD Farenholt
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Lunga at 114,139

Japanese Ships
SS I-19

Allied Ships
CV Wasp, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB North Carolina, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD O'Brien
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Knavey
DD Farenholt
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Lunga at 114,139

Japanese Ships
SS I-19, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Wasp, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB North Carolina
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD O'Brien, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Knavey
DD Farenholt

3 Attacks in one phase? With 2 ships sunk? Borked!

Taking over Knaveys job? [8D]

pasternakski · Post by **pasternakski** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:35 pm

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I completely agree, check out this BS that just happened to me. No way this could happen!
...

3 Attacks in one phase? With 2 ships sunk? Borked!

Q-Ball, you dawg, how long you think it'll take before somebody catches on?

CapAndGown · Post by **CapAndGown** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:36 pm

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I completely agree, check out this BS that just happened to me. No way this could happen!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 15, 42
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Lunga at 114,139

Japanese Ships
SS I-19, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Wasp, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB North Carolina
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD O'Brien
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Knavey
DD Farenholt
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Lunga at 114,139

Japanese Ships
SS I-19

Allied Ships
CV Wasp, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB North Carolina, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD O'Brien
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Knavey
DD Farenholt
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Lunga at 114,139

Japanese Ships
SS I-19, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Wasp, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB North Carolina
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD O'Brien, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Knavey
DD Farenholt

3 Attacks in one phase? With 2 ships sunk? Borked!

The game is broken!!!! Any game that can exactly replicate history is totally borked!

PS: Don't these examples come up just about every year on this board? I remember doing one of these "the game is broken" posts as far back as UV.

Q-Ball · Post by **Q-Ball** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:37 pm

ORIGINAL: pasternakski

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I completely agree, check out this BS that just happened to me. No way this could happen!
...

3 Attacks in one phase? With 2 ships sunk? Borked!

Q-Ball, you dawg, how long you think it'll take before somebody catches on?

About 60 seconds........check out the DD names

pasternakski · Post by **pasternakski** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:38 pm

ORIGINAL: WLockard
Taking over Knaveys job? [8D]

OK, OK, y'all are quicker than I thought.

One lesson to be learned, of course, is that, in AE as in real life, there's a lot more to ASW protection of capital ships than just jamming a bunch of mediocre, early-war DDs into a TF with them.

pasternakski · Post by **pasternakski** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:40 pm

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball
Q-Ball, you dawg, how long you think it'll take before somebody catches on?

About 60 seconds........check out the DD names
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Too bad you didn't have room to include the Air Farce, the Smarmy, and the beloved Corpse.

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