just curious about allied planes

[Rob Brennan UK]

hello all

Many thanks for answering my daft questions previously so in recognition of that heres some more [;)]

I'm playing german in BTR campaign 43 (background)

1- now its end oct 43 and .. does research of 100 planes give you 1 month advance ? or is there a limit to how early some planes are ? (i have heavily reachered FW190D (20 odd/day)( and yes i know its 9/44) not expecting them immediately but just want a rough estimate.

2 - Allied replacements .. having clobbered about 2000 + allied 4E planes do the allies get unlimited reinforcements ? or is my effort paying off in degrading the allied pilot pool ? same with allied fighter bombers over the gustav line ..

I got the He219 2 varient in oct 43 (12/43 due) .. and have got a lot of research going on from go229 to Ta 154 .. damn jets [;)].. also Bf 109H 2engines ? doesnt it have just the one ? or am i missing something.

Im loving the nostalgia in the game and the allied short range numbers really help give the game some historical accuracy why the german just gave up on france ( albeit i'm fighting tooth and nail for north italy atm) .

PS i hate mustang III's .. i'm dreading the P51 b/d etc .. eek.

thanks again all for this great game ..

TTFN

[Derfel]

Research has been tuned, so it is no longer 100 planes a month that will give an advance.

From the Readme.txt and some calculus it seems that the formula is now:

1 month 100
2 month 200
3 month 300
4 month 400
5 month 500
6 month 600
7 month 700
8+ month 800

So a plane 4 month away will cost 400 + 300 + 200 + 100 = 1000 planes.


So no more Überplanes in spring or summer 1944 [:-]

Edited for typos and clarifiation.

[Nicholas Bell]

For Allied replacement levels check out this thread:

tm.asp?m=2376274

The number of engines required for production is not always the number needed to build one plane. This represents production and technical problems. Thus Italian aircraft require 2 engines, all jet aircraft require 4 engines. I never checked the 109H but I don't doubt it might require 2.

Derfel's assessment of research requirements looks correct. But it is still pretty easy to "game" the system. By October 1943 I was building 13 FW-190Ds per day. I am currently on January 25 1944 and the Dora's are scheduled to appear in April 44, but at the rate of advance I will probably see them in late February (2 months of research advance in the last month of play). So appearance really accelerates when you get close. But building enough jet engines to accelerate Me-262 production is a real challenge. IMO engines are the "key" to German production - you'll never have enough engine factories to achieve what you want, so you have to really pick and choose your priorities. I eventually stopped all twin engine day fighter production to free up engine capacity (gun and rocket toting FW-190A-6s fill the destroyer role just fine and are much more survivable to boot).

[Rob Brennan UK]

Thanks for the informative replies ..

Oops .. my research into the Go229 in mid 43 looks to be a bit optomistic then [;)]

2E production is still quite prevalent in my game with both 410,219, and 2 models of later ju88's on research/production. It's hard on the engine plants but i like a mixed bag of a/c and given the radar differances for the NF's just building one type seems foolish. But as you say its a balancing game for engines thats for sure. So far my zoerster units have done well and survived better than i thought they would, but the appearance of longer range escorts will no doubt change that balance sooner rather than later. Oddly I'm finding the G6/R6 better at tackling escorts than the 190D6/R and with over 1200 109G's in the pool (stopped building then a few days ago .. possibly a huge error while mucking about with production while drunk [;)]) they are a front line plane for now (30/10/43).

again thanks for the informative responses , much appreciated.

TTFN

[harley]

ORIGINAL: Derfel

Research has been tuned, so it is no longer 100 planes a month that will give an advance.

1 month 100
2 month 200
3 month 300
4 month 400
5 month 500
6 month 600
7 month 700
8+ month 800

So a plane 4 month away will cost 400 + 300 + 200 + 100 = 1000 planes.

Nope, it's not that hard. Something due in 24 months needs over 800 to advance one month. At the 8 month point it's more like 350.. ish.