Mediterranean Scenario

[barrykimmerly]

There was a Mediterranean scenario that was posted for WITP a few years ago... I downloaded it but the scale was just wrong. NOW in AE the scale would be right. Has anybody thought about a Mediterranean game... sort of like War Plan Orage for WITP, but Med for AE?

[xj900uk]

This question has been asked recently on another thread... anyone got the link?

[Misconduct]

I mentioned it a few, times basically there's some interest in it, however not enough yet.

[chesmart]

The amount of work Involved just from a data point of view is immense , that does not include a new map which on itself would take a lot of time and PWHex Data. I admire the two Modders wh did WITP Russia (Bubi Hartman) and WITP Mediteranean (Dilli?) they had a lot of guts to make them and time. IMO the only people that can make those kind of scenarios are the DEV Team of AE, and Matrix would have to charge for it as a new game just immagine the Howling and shouting that players would do. I am all in favour if somebody decides to do it and my hat is off to them !

[xj900uk]

Agreed. NOw all we need is some developers whom we can butter up.
Think there is definitely enough interest out there for a WITP_AE-type War in the Med expansion kit...

[chesmart]

Yep sign me on and I am redy to pay and give a helping hand. Matrix Sales are you reading ?

[xj900uk]

Agreed, I volunteer my services (such as they are!)

[Q-Ball]

The Map and data are tough enough. The hardest part is simulating the strategic importance of getting supply convoys to Libya, and the land warfare in general in North Africa. I don't know how you can do it. The AE engine IMO isn't going to successfully model the North African campaign. Naval activity on the Libyan and Egyptian coasts were an important component, and difficult to simulate.

That's even before you look at stuff like how to treat the Vichy French, or the invasion of Crete, plus Frogmen, TORCH, not to mention where the scenario begins and ends. Yikes!

I would love a good Med scenario, but the challenges to me look too difficult

[barrykimmerly]

I disagree Q-Ball. Just look at War Plan Orange. I suggest that it was a bigger challenge than a Med scenario, (Maybe I am wrong...). I DO agree about the land war though. That would be the biggest challenge IMO.

[jwilkerson]

I agree with Q-Ball.


Our evaluation is that WITM would require a new engine - and I've even heard a rumor that this was the opinion of 2by3 the developers of the original WITP. Q-Ball got it right - the land system of WITP and AE just will not do justice to the reality of land combat in WITM.

Doing the OOB work is fun - but that is the easy part. The game scale really must change - the land system must change - and that alone probably drives a new engine.

But, a Med Mod is certainly possible. Several were started for WITP engine and at least one was pretty much finished. They looked great - but the playing didn't seem to last very long so I assume there were issues.

[barrykimmerly]

Thanks for your input everyone. I raised this because I would really like to see it happen. I would pay for this... I guess it would essentially have to be a whole new game. Oh well- it was a thought

[Misconduct]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

I agree with Q-Ball.


Our evaluation is that WITM would require a new engine - and I've even heard a rumor that this was the opinion of 2by3 the developers of the original WITP. Q-Ball got it right - the land system of WITP and AE just will not do justice to the reality of land combat in WITM.

Doing the OOB work is fun - but that is the easy part. The game scale really must change - the land system must change - and that alone probably drives a new engine.

But, a Med Mod is certainly possible. Several were started for WITP engine and at least one was pretty much finished. They looked great - but the playing didn't seem to last very long so I assume there were issues.

Reminds me of our last few conversations Joe, i would LOVE to do the OOB, however the land combat and production, forget it. However I would fork over $40 for this WITM, doubt that would cover the costs though

[starsis1]

What do you guys think about doing Norway '40 scenario? The map would have to be built just like for Med (although on a smaller scale) but the nature of the land combat would make it a better fit IMHO

[jwilkerson]

ORIGINAL: Misconduct
I would fork over $40 for this WITM, doubt that would cover the costs though

Not quite - I think $1M USD would probably come close though ... [:)]

[chesmart]

Do you accept Nigerian Bank Drafts ?[:D]

[vinnie71]

Well if ever it came to life, I think that such a game should start after the fall of France and the entry of Italy in the war. It would be very difficult to portray the war in Yugoslavia (it folded in a few days) though I think the engine would do fine for war in Greece and later in Italy. What would be a real challenge is to portray accurately the desert war and war production for Italy. Highly mobile warfare is always difficult to emulate in a game. Italian war production could be tricky because resources were relatively plentiful (be it human or otherwise) but it was the production system itself which was rather archaic.
 
Also very tricky would be how to treat Vichy France though that could take a whole thread to discuss....

[Q-Ball]

It's too bad, because I would love to play with the Regia Marina. Whatever you think of Italian Naval Power, they built the best-looking ships of WWII, bar none.

The Vittorio Venetos were fierce looking, and fast!

[chesmart]

+1

[moonraker65]

The WiTM scenario for WiTP was hosted on Fremen's site. But I looked on there and it's no longer listed. It was PBEM only as well I think. I seem to remember trying it as a single player but getting some strange results as the AI didn't do a lot. It is still available on Spooky's site.

[xj900uk]

Whatever you think of Italian Naval Power, they built the best-looking ships of WWII, bar none.

The Vittorio Venetos were fierce looking, and fast!

Agreed, they were very fast. They had the best looking ships in WWII and definitely didn't want anything nasty to happen to them or anybody to take potshots at them. Hence they were by far the best runners, not even the RN could catch up with them...