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Panzer Command: Ostfront is the latest in a new series of 3D turn-based tactical wargames which include single battles, multi-battle operations and full war campaigns with realistic units, tactics and terrain and an informative and practical interface. Including a full Map Editor, 60+ Scenarios, 10 Campaigns and a very long list of improvements, this is the ultimate Panzer Command release for the Eastern Front!

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Hi all,

I just felt the need to share why I started posting here after lurking for years. I am just so excited about three upcoming games that I felt to document my support for this company and the relevant games. All three are sure buys.

1) Panzer Corps
Panzer General was the game that got me started in war-gaming. I was only 15 at the time, but god how I loved that game. Back then, I thought this was very realistically portraiting WWII. I did especially feel so when my armies just went short of taking Moscow due to mud and snow in my first campaign attempt :-). Somehow, I never doubted the game's realism despite dropping paratroopers behind the lines and then buying tank units there... oh well...

I also do appreciate rudankort's decision to stick with the scale of PG1. While I did like PG2, it really felt epic to play operations like Stalingrad or Low Countries, compared to unclimatic operations like "Klin".

There is one issue I want to raise. In PG1, you often had only one viable route if you wanted a major victory. I would love for PC to have several routes open as options in the different scenarios.

Also, I loved the twisted campaign tree so much and really did not like the "win scenario or lose game" choice that was made for much of PG2. Let me lose a scenario and put me on the defense or make the road tougher for me!

2) Panzer Command Ostfront

I never liked the Panzer Command: Winterstorm demo enough to buy the game. Was too busy to check out Kharkov. But I have always been an avid gamer of CM:BB (don't like the new CM engine...). But the huge list of updates for Ostfront and the sensible pricing made this one very interesting for me. It was a sell once I noticed that it does have campaigns, something I have always missed for CM (sad to see CM Campaigns die...). So, definitely getting this one.

3) GG War in the East

I don't need to use much words for this. After starting off on PG, I turned to more serious stuff over the years. Ended up with WIR (Matrix Edition). First put off by the terrible graphics and the very, very unconventional interface. Once I got the hang of things, I found it rather beautiful. One of the most brilliant game I have every played, though all of my non-believing FPS-playing friendy have never understood it. I have a friend that kinda likes wargames, but for him it does not go deeper than PG, CIV or Total War. A tank has to be a tank on the map for him. Show him a game like WIR, and he does not like it ("Oh, again, crosses and circles, that is not a game. I need to see my tanks and men..."). Digressing here... Anyways, unfortunately I later found out that the AI is quite easy to beat in WIR after w a while, tough I got my ass handed to me in the first games. Never really dared to go PBEM, as I figured I would be utterly crushed by all the pros out there. Maybe a big mistake. I intend to make good on this now. I will PBEM, even though I will probably stand no chance. But I like a challenge and like to fight on the defense as well (also very much like the fact that there will be server based PBEM. I trust the wargaming community a lot, but it is always good to KNOW that this all to perfect last turn of your opponent CANNOT have been a cheat...)

WitE is a dream come true. AARs and info here on the forum look perfect. I know I will be playing this forever. And the other plans with a WitW game and maybe a combination sound very, very promising as well.



Again, it may seem stupid or redundant to post in all three sub-forums, but I am not sure if every developer reads every forum and I wanted them all to know that there games are already sold for me. Also, I feel this might give you guys a little bit of background for me, as I want to become active in PBEMs.
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Welcome to the forum fsp. That looks like a good list of games you are waiting for. I hope you enjoy PCO once it gets released.

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Playing PBEM will sharpen your skills in no time. The first few times it can be an eye opening experience but you're likely to make life long friends against some of your opponents too. It's well worth the effort.

Good Hunting.

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ORIGINAL: fsp

2) Panzer Command Ostfront

I never liked the Panzer Command: Winterstorm demo enough to buy the game. Was too busy to check out Kharkov. But I have always been an avid gamer of CM:BB (don't like the new CM engine...). But the huge list of updates for Ostfront and the sensible pricing made this one very interesting for me. It was a sell once I noticed that it does have campaigns, something I have always missed for CM (sad to see CM Campaigns die...). So, definitely getting this one.

This one got my attention also.

I actually bought Winterstorm in a retail store, expecting a *CMBB lite*, but I was a little dissapointed.


But make no mistake, PC:K is a great game. It comes down to how you approach it. It uses some familiar Combat Mission-esque game mechanics, but with its own style and feel.

For example, I'll do many replays, watching from each unit's (or at least the platoon leader's) binocular view at normal speed with the mesage box off. This gives me a great sense of fog of war and confusion of what each induvidual unit must be experiencing. Then I'll watch a single replay 1/10th speed with the mesage box on, pausing for every mesage, moving around and clicking on each unit every time it highlights in the HUD, indicating a significant event. That's how and when I get the *Big Picture*, although I still spend about 90% in binocular view.

Honestly, I love the campaigns, but I've never played through an entire campaign--it would take too long! I can spend an hour on a single orders/reaction turn. I get totally lost in Panzer Command. It is quirky as hell, but I still love it. There are many ways it is better than Combat Mission, and there are many ways Combat Mission is better than Panzer Command.


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ORIGINAL: HintJ

Honestly, I love the campaigns, but I've never played through an entire campaign--it would take too long! I can spend an hour on a single orders/reaction turn. I get totally lost in Panzer Command. It is quirky as hell, but I still love it. There are many ways it is better than Combat Mission, and there are many ways Combat Mission is better than Panzer Command.

We have included include several shorter campaigns of 4 scenarios or less.

We also added a new Random Campaign that can have a minimum of 4 scenarios and up to a max of 15 scenarios that you might want to try when it comes out. The 4 required battles are semi-historical, and the other battles are randomized between these 4 battles.

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ORIGINAL: HintJ

Honestly, I love the campaigns, but I've never played through an entire campaign--it would take too long! I can spend an hour on a single orders/reaction turn. I get totally lost in Panzer Command. It is quirky as hell, but I still love it.

I laughed when I read this post. It used to be that you had to win all the battles in the campaign or you couldn't move forward in the campaign. It sent you all the way back to the front scenario. (SAVE MR SAVE!!)

Now, if you lose a battle you can still move forward.

I hope PCO isn't "quirky as hell" anymore either. But I bet you still will love it.

Good Hunting.

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Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm Development Team.
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