Ship Design

Chet Guiles · Post by **Chet Guiles** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:07 pm

Am I correct in understanding that the AI can use ANY ship I design? Does that mean that pirates can get my best ships as soon as I do, even though I do the design work and the ships have not been "captured"? There definitely ought to be some sort of delay in that process, or there is no benefit whatever from designing different or unique classes of ship. Let the suckers design their own, develop their own technology.

Rant. Rant.

Howard Mitchell · Post by **Howard Mitchell** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:19 pm

In my current game, started under 1.5.0.4 and patched progressively since, I have never once seen pirates use any of my designs.

Wreck · Post by **Wreck** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:18 pm

The AIs don't get your designs, only pirates can.  But pirates for the most part only build little ships -- I've never seen larger than cruisers, and even that rarely.  So, they might get your little designs (if you even use them -- I don't). 

Pirates seem to get new ships based on their success in killing stuff.  So, if you squash them quickly they won't ever get beyond frigates or destroyers. 

ehsumrell1 · Post by **ehsumrell1** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:34 pm

ORIGINAL: Chet Guiles

Am I correct in understanding that the AI can use ANY ship I design? Does that mean that pirates can get my best ships as soon as I do, even though I do the design work and the ships have not been "captured"? There definitely ought to be some sort of delay in that process, or there is no benefit whatever from designing different or unique classes of ship. Let the suckers design their own, develop their own technology.

Rant. Rant.

Hello Chet;
The pirate factions CAN use your designs after a while depending on certain
conditions existing. For instance, the more successful a particular pirate
faction is in attacking bases, ships, etc., and escaping, the more likely
you are to see that your escort, frigate, and possibly even cruiser designs
have been 'jacked', stolen, or whatever you wish to call it. It doesn't
happen right away though. Also, the number of pirate factions present also
affect this.

My best advise is this; when your explorers locate a pirate base, go to the
diplomacy screen and have a quick conversation to buy any valuable info they
may have. Then gather a adequate strike fleet and go BLOW THE BASE OUT OF
YOUR SKY!

You may also get a a few more ideas from The WAR ROOM forum thread on how
to deal with pirates....Happy hunting! [:)]

Larsenex · Post by **Larsenex** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:16 pm

I can verify that Pirates will in fact show up with YOUR designs. I have seen my beautiful cruisers attack my mining bases and other ships.

Data · Post by **Data** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:35 pm

that is why I always use battleship class for every desing, from the smallest to the largest, and I delete completly the lower classes

tjhkkr · Post by **tjhkkr** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:09 am

You may also get a a few more ideas from The WAR ROOM forum thread on how to deal with pirates....Happy hunting!

That is pretty simple: never give them money, and blast them out of existance.
What is it Tommy Lee Jones says, 'I don't bargain.'

Chet Guiles · Post by **Chet Guiles** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:55 pm

I have no issue dealing with Pirates. My Annihilator Class exploration ships have enough firepower to take out anything short of a Pirate Cruiser (which as Larsenex points out, does happen). As long as other AI Empires can't just automatically scrounge my beautiful ship designs...

Build a couple of small fleets early (I like to name them appropriately, like "Pirates' Delight") and position them as fast attack squadrons to terminate any pirate strongholds the exploration ships find. Add larger ships and troop carrier later as needed.

Thanks for the feedback, all.

Merker · Post by **Merker** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:58 am

But whyyyyy get rid of pirates?! Pirates are sooooooooooo fun!! They can be the best allies you can get in this game, never betraying you and only requiring a measly sum to stay that way. Plus they hit the mining bases of your enemies, or a potential enemy without you bothering to send the fleet or losing rep over it.  You can direct their attacks and even fund their fleet, something which is a lot more difficult with the other empires.

Plus nothing beats a teekan pirate at looks[:'(][:'(][:D]

By the way, I don't think I've ever seen a HUMAN pirate. Any thoughts on that?!

Cheers

Cvan · Post by **Cvan** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:57 am

ORIGINAL: Merker

But whyyyyy get rid of pirates?! Pirates are sooooooooooo fun!! They can be the best allies you can get in this game, never betraying you and only requiring a measly sum to stay that way. Plus they hit the mining bases of your enemies, or a potential enemy without you bothering to send the fleet or losing rep over it. You can direct their attacks and even fund their fleet, something which is a lot more difficult with the other empires.

Plus nothing beats a teekan pirate at looks[:'(][:'(][:D]

By the way, I don't think I've ever seen a HUMAN pirate. Any thoughts on that?!

Cheers

Because humans are honest and peaceful people! Or is it because Races.txt states that they can't be pirates!?

Human, 4, 0, 1.14, 110, 110, 110, 110, 120, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 15, 15, 0, 0, 6, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, Y, N, Y, 1, 20, 18, Sol, Strike Trooper Battalion

Data · Post by **Data** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:05 pm

Good find, Cvan, you're walking like a pro [:)]

Cvan · Post by **Cvan** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:26 pm

Hahaha thanks for the compliment, but modding DW (at least what we can currently modify) is very simple. If you ever tried modding Medieval Total War 2 then you know whats hard and painful editing.

Data · Post by **Data** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:45 pm

Man, I loved that game but just didn't work for me. So if I couldn't even play it....

Cvan · Post by **Cvan** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:43 pm

It's great game, specially if you like x4 games (irony intended).

ehsumrell1 · Post by **ehsumrell1** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:23 pm

ORIGINAL: Data

Good find, Cvan, you're walking like a pro [:)]

...and he sews a hell of a stitch or two as well! [:D]

Cvan · Post by **Cvan** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:42 pm

How nice of you!

Chet Guiles · Post by **Chet Guiles** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:57 pm

Blowing Pirates out of the "water" so to speak is one of the reasons I have developed the "Annihilator Class" Exploration ship. Serves double duty as explorer and destroyer.

cookie monster · Post by **cookie monster** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:11 am

ORIGINAL: Chet Guiles

Blowing Pirates out of the "water" so to speak is one of the reasons I have developed the "Annihilator Class" Exploration ship. Serves double duty as explorer and destroyer.

What kind of design did you use?

I redesigned my early explorers to 800 fuel and researched the fast caslon hyperdrive. I readjusted thrusters etc to get same specs or higher for turn rate. I need the range on 1400 star galaxy.

I also redesigned my destroyers to carry more troops, to fill a dual role at the start when money was tight. I had lots of hostile independant colonies to take over.

AminMaalouf · Post by **AminMaalouf** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:27 am

ORIGINAL: cookie monster

ORIGINAL: Chet Guiles

Blowing Pirates out of the "water" so to speak is one of the reasons I have developed the "Annihilator Class" Exploration ship. Serves double duty as explorer and destroyer.

What kind of design did you use?

I redesigned my early explorers to 800 fuel and researched the fast caslon hyperdrive. I readjusted thrusters etc to get same specs or higher for turn rate. I need the range on 1400 star galaxy.

I also redesigned my destroyers to carry more troops, to fill a dual role at the start when money was tight. I had lots of hostile independant colonies to take over.

I would be interested in your both explorer designs.

Chet Guiles · Post by **Chet Guiles** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:33 pm

I try to maximize weapons to be at least equiv to a frigate or destroyer, then in subsequent upgrades when I can have larger ships, better weapons, try to be about destroyer class. An explorer with enough weapons to kill off a gang of pirates can explore the far reaches (with sufficient fuel) without having to have excorts. (Whatever excorts are -- duh.)

One issue -- early in the game oversized explorers can be EXPENSIVE and may want more hydrogen or caslon than you have readily available.

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