Comparison to War in the East

[Johnpilot]

Hi;

Forgive a possible naive question, but how does this compare to War in the East? I haven't followed Matrix much lately, but have some Christmas cash to spend any recommendations?

Thanks.

John

[freeboy]

ok.. war in the east.. massive.. huge lots of detail lots and lots of units... turns may take hours
much simpler and easier.. imo more "fun"
this game has a greater scope.. the air war  the western EU theatre etc.. the med. They are totally and completely different..
I own both and while I love WITE, it is ponderous.... a true grog game...
 
the ? I would ask you is do you like giant games with tones of interactic and challenging rules...wite..
or
do you want a simpler easy to play broader game with lots of abstraction? each play two player or against ai well

[Johnpilot]

Thanks for the thoughts. I guess both have an appeal, and especially with WITE having the discount. I have been reading some of the threads and was surprised to see that some think ToF is very abstracted in many areas.

Sounds like ToF now and maybe WITE later as I really don't want to have to spend hours getting ready for each move.

john

[stone10]

You probably want to wait for War in the West.

[gwgardner]

ORIGINAL: stone10

You probably want to wait for War in the West.

Is that a joke, or is there going to be a War in the West by Grigsby?

[freeboy]

yes to war in the west .. but awhile off..
 
 

[Greyshaft]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

yes to war in the west .. but awhile off..

and then followed by War in Europe ... SPI is reborn!

[freeboy]

I don't see a war in Europe..
and frankly am not excited about witw until the issues in wite get resolved..
but we stray..
Again what are you looking for .. simple and easy realy hard and complex?

[bairdlander2]

The map,counter's and use of corps make ToF a lot like Avalon Hill Third Reich boardgame.WitE has a lot more detail and flexability and it just covers east front.

[Rasputitsa]

ORIGINAL: bairdlander
The map,counter's and use of corps make ToF a lot like Avalon Hill Third Reich boardgame.WitE has a lot more detail and flexability and it just covers east front.

I'm not sure about flexibility in WiTE, your'e on a long one-way trip to Berlin, the variation is in what date the Soviets get there, at least ToW can change the plot. [:)]

[bairdlander2]

I mean inflexible as in Im playing GC as Axis and cant attack France in '39 or DoW any country I want like Belgium.

[Razz1]

You can attack if you declare war first.

[bairdlander2]

I cant declare war[&:]

[Razz1]

We have no problem declaring war.

Use the diplomacy panel.

[Greyshaft]

ORIGINAL: bairdlander
The map,counter's and use of corps make ToF a lot like Avalon Hill Third Reich boardgame.WitE has a lot more detail and flexability and it just covers east front.

AH3R was a very different scale:

• each turn was 3 months long
• Holland and Belgium were 1 hex each (maybe two for Belgium)?
• Ships were calculated in anonymous 'fleets' of up to nine factors - I think UK started the game with six * nine factor fleets = VERY abstract.
• I don't remember submarines in AHTR ???

AH3R was a lot of fun in the 1970s/80s but is nothing like WiTE or ToF ... except that it covered WWII in Europe.

[bairdlander2]

Sorry Greystick I dont remember 20 years ago.I should have clarified it "reminds" me of AH 3R

[bairdlander2]

ORIGINAL: Razz

We have no problem declaring war.

Use the diplomacy panel.

I did,all choices are blacked out

[Greyshaft]

ORIGINAL: bairdlander
Sorry Greystick I dont remember 20 years ago.I should have clarified it "reminds" me of AH 3R

That's 'Greyshaft' , not 'Greystick'

If this wasn't a family forum I'd tell you how I got the nickname back in my University days [;)]

[rjh1971]

ORIGINAL: gwgardner

ORIGINAL: stone10

You probably want to wait for War in the West.

Is that a joke, or is there going to be a War in the West by Grigsby?

No joke, it's underworks.

[Flaviusx]

ORIGINAL: Rasputitsa

ORIGINAL: bairdlander
The map,counter's and use of corps make ToF a lot like Avalon Hill Third Reich boardgame.WitE has a lot more detail and flexability and it just covers east front.

I'm not sure about flexibility in WiTE, your'e on a long one-way trip to Berlin, the variation is in what date the Soviets get there, at least ToW can change the plot. [:)]

This game is indeed wildly and fantastically flexible. Anything can happen. Historicity is not its strong suit. It's fun, but it's not WW2.