Will there be any change to production?

[Wild]

Hi guys. I have not played the game in sometime (since ver 1.03 i think), i couldn't get past the idea that Heavy Industry was meaningless also not being able to change tank types like we can aircraft resulting in massive frustration in not being able to get armor out of my pools. Has there been or will there be any change to these issues? or will i have to shelve the game until WitE2.

It really saddens me because i have always looked forward to a game like this as my dream game, but the production issues just ruin the immersion for me and leave me frustrated.

[Baelfiin]

I cant speak to the HI = meaningless or changing tank types, but I think the game is tremendously better than it was in 1.03 8)

[Farfarer61]

The game is way better, but I don't thing HI losses are yet integrated the system. If the HI was actually surplus to Sov needs (expendable) then I recommend the evil Axis be able to capture and use it to good effect. I also don't undersatnd the popluation migration - gotta love those isolated Byelorussian citizens decamping to Vladivostok :0

[randallw]

Aren't you aware of the massive hidden tunnel system that was built by moles?  It was built under the 10 year plan, began in 1929.

[jzardos]

ORIGINAL: Wild

Hi guys. I have not played the game in sometime (since ver 1.03 i think), i couldn't get past the idea that Heavy Industry was meaningless also not being able to change tank types like we can aircraft resulting in massive frustration in not being able to get armor out of my pools. Has there been or will there be any change to these issues? or will i have to shelve the game until WitE2.

It really saddens me because i have always looked forward to a game like this as my dream game, but the production issues just ruin the immersion for me and leave me frustrated.

Feel your pain Wild. Unfortunately nothing has been done to fix some of the production issues and realism. I think the devs don't care to comment or do anything about this. Oh well, they busy on WitW. We can only hope they fix it there and port it back later (2013) back to WitE. Wish some of the devs for WitPAE had helped in WitE, they were able to allow the Japanese some nice flexibility within production. That would have been great in the last year WitE has been out to do the same for the Axis.

[:(]

[Wild]

Thanks for the responses guys, but i don't think i can go back to playing until some of the unfair production issues for the Germans are addressed or at least commented on by the devs.

The whole stick it to the Germans and let the Soviets do whatever they want thing has really soured me.
I guess if i enjoyed playing the Soviets everything would be fine, but i wish to play the Axis. I don't mind having no chance to win but let my gaming experiance be fun!! Please let me use the armor in my pools,please allow me to capture enemy industry and let it count for something. Just fixing these 2 issue would increase my gaming experiance 100 fold. But it seems like no one cares. Very frustrating.

[Aurelian]

No need to fix what is not broken.

[Wild]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

No need to fix what is not broken.

This is exactly the attitude i was refering to. Do you wish to destroy your customer base for upcoming titles in this series?

I find your casual dismissal of customers concerns insulting.

By giving the Germans some flexability you will only be helping make the rest of your line more attractive to Axis players. By dismissing us it only wants to make me dismiss your products.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: Wild

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

No need to fix what is not broken.

This is exactly the attitude i was refering to. Do you wish to destroy your customer base for upcoming titles in this series?

I find your casual dismissal of customers concerns insulting.

By giving the Germans some flexability you will only be helping make the rest of your line more attractive to Axis players. By dismissing us it only wants to make me dismiss your products.

The game far far better for sure, but the stick it to the Germans is still the redneck mind set of 2 by 3.

HVy means nothing as when you played.
Manpower still magicly moves east, but the out put was lowered so it is more realistic
Replasement system is silly, still a nice little exploit that the russian player can use.
National morale system is silly. If German player does better then historical NM is still forsed down for no reason. If the russian player is doing far worse then historical his morale is forsed up. This one thing alone is the biggest built in Russian I win button.
1v1=2v1 is removed after March 1942. Big help.
Air field spamming basicly fixed. Air war is in need of a total over haul. It works but not that great. 10,000's of russian tanks were destoryed by Stuka's but under the current system this cant happen.

Game is 100% better now then before, but still needs allot of help.

Most German players still don't stand a snowballs chance in hell of getting to late 1944. The learning curve on the German side is very steep.
Russian side you can get the hang of game after 1 or 2 games.

I free the way you do but play anyways. If I was you I still play. As you can atleast put in your 2 cents on these boards or witw's boards.

I can't wait for witw boards to open up hehehe.

Pelton

[Wild]

I admire your spirit Pelton.

But i can't see myself playing again until the concerns of many Axis players are treated as serious matters for discusion and not simply blown off.

By giving the Germans just a little more flexability over their Army, they could improve the enjoyment of much of their customer base, but for whatever reason they are unwilling. I personally think it is not a wise decision for them, but hell what do i know.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: Wild

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

No need to fix what is not broken.

This is exactly the attitude i was refering to. Do you wish to destroy your customer base for upcoming titles in this series?

I find your casual dismissal of customers concerns insulting.

By giving the Germans some flexability you will only be helping make the rest of your line more attractive to Axis players. By dismissing us it only wants to make me dismiss your products.

1: I don't have a customer base.

2: If you choose to be insulted, by all means feel that way.

3: You claim that it's an issue to be fixed.

A: It doesn't need fixing, as it isn't broken.

B: It was decided long ago how production would be done. tm.asp?m=2166477&mpage=1&key=free%2Cproduction

C: The Soviets get huge pools as well. And they can't choose who gets T-34s vs Matildas either. And yet, I still play.

[invernomuto]

ORIGINAL: Wild

This is exactly the attitude i was refering to. Do you wish to destroy your customer base for upcoming titles in this series?

I find your casual dismissal of customers concerns insulting.

By giving the Germans some flexability you will only be helping make the rest of your line more attractive to Axis players. By dismissing us it only wants to make me dismiss your products.

Maybe there will be some minor tweaks on production system but don't expect major change in any part of WITE at this stage of development.
As for production, WITE is an OPERATIONAL wargame, production should be fixed and not under player control.
BTW, Soviet player does not have control over what is being produced: the replacement rates are fixed, you cannot increase T-34 factories.
Soviet player can create new on map unit and new SU (I'd prefer a system based on historical dates / replacemtent rates for unit and SU creation in an operational game).


Bye.

[marty_01]

ORIGINAL: invernomuto

(I'd prefer a system based on historical dates / replacemtent rates for unit and SU creation in an operational game).


Bye.

+1

[Joel Billings]

ORIGINAL: Pelton


The game far far better for sure, but the stick it to the Germans is still the redneck mind set of 2 by 3.

I'm sorry, but this is so insulting. You really think we are a bunch of redneck minds sitting here thinking of how to stick it to the Germans? Really? I have to admit when I see this kind of post it takes away any motivation to read the rest of the post and often the rest of the thread and I'm sure there are others that are working on WitE that feel the same way.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

ORIGINAL: Pelton


The game far far better for sure, but the stick it to the Germans is still the redneck mind set of 2 by 3.

I'm sorry, but this is so insulting. You really think we are a bunch of redneck minds sitting here thinking of how to stick it to the Germans? Really? I have to admit when I see this kind of post it takes away any motivation to read the rest of the post and often the rest of the thread and I'm sure there are others that are working on WitE that feel the same way.

Typical Pelton. Seems like warning him about this hasn't had any effect.

[heliodorus04]

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

ORIGINAL: Pelton


The game far far better for sure, but the stick it to the Germans is still the redneck mind set of 2 by 3.

I'm sorry, but this is so insulting. You really think we are a bunch of redneck minds sitting here thinking of how to stick it to the Germans? Really? I have to admit when I see this kind of post it takes away any motivation to read the rest of the post and often the rest of the thread and I'm sure there are others that are working on WitE that feel the same way.

I think it's insulting that the game was conceived with the ability to track, as someone else said poignantly, every MG42 on the Eastern Front, and yet SMGs are superior to rifle squads in the combat model and 2 biplanes with untested pilots outperform one Me109 piloted by Adolf Galland himself. I think it's absurd that Soviets have superior C&C to Germany in 1941 and that the Soviet command structure is significantly more flexible than Germany's.

I think it's insulting, quite frankly, that I've been a beta tester for the last 13 months, not even for War in the East, but for War in the West, and the privilege cost me $90.($10 was for a manual that was out of date and wrong when it was printed for my purchase after Christmas of 2010, and you've never offered me so much as in-store credit for this outright fraud, so put that in your poor beset upon insulted heart and smoke it).

I don't think you're rednecks, but I do think you have no idea of your own biases as a production unit, and you're bias is significant in favor of the Soviet Union. If WitP were balanced mechanically the way that WitE is, the Japanese would be forced to comply with their historical pilot training output, they'd be forced to take the same pathway to Midway at the same time in 1942 (codebreaking, you know), and forced into the same god-awful approach to the land war in China. Meanwhile, the US would put Essex class anti-aircraft and radar on Yorktown-class carriers in June of 1942 without restriction.

You've had me beta-testing your product for $90 for the last 13 months meanwhile you've admitted no confidence in the WitE combat engine so you're creating a better-balanced one for WitW while telling me the lessons learned from the WitE combat model will not be ported back to WitE. Any lessons learned from WitE will be released in a future title similar in scope and design to WitE but that I'll have to pay for.

THAT is what I find insulting. What Pelton said is simply emotionally driven, vented hyperbole, and I'm surprised you can't tell the difference.

Now you have a meaningful, no-ad-hominem criticism of the company and the product. You're welcome.

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

...I have to admit when I see this kind of post it takes away any motivation to read the rest of the post and often the rest of the thread and I'm sure there are others that are working on WitE that feel the same way.

Agreed.

[randallw]

There seems to be this belief that the Soviet side can build formations with no historical restrictions, and that itself is a form of histrionic hyperbole.

The restriction of German formation building doesn't mean the Soviets can build anything they want at any time. The tank and rifle corps merging happen on a historical timetable, as do the construction of motor/mech brigades, artillery/rocket units, and whatever else.

Some of you guys exaggerate the details, which doesn't help your argument.

[Aurelian]

Both sides go through TOE changes for example.

Don't see many, if any, Soviet players complaining "My big tank divisions changed into tiny brigades. OMG the pro Axis game design!!!"

The constant accuasations leveled at 2by3 et al are more than getting old.

Thank the forum makers for the green button.

[Wild]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

Both sides go through TOE changes for example.

Don't see many, if any, Soviet players complaining "My big tank divisions changed into tiny brigades. OMG the pro Axis game design!!!"

The constant accuasations leveled at 2by3 et al are more than getting old.

Thank the forum makers for the green button.

Of course you don't see Soviet players complaining.They have things to good so there is no need to rock the boat.
I hope your statement about the green button applies to me as your last response was less than useless.

Now, i have enjoyed 2by3's games more than any other company. I own most if not all of them. I have always thought Joel very helpful and pleasent when he has responded to any of my issues.
But in this case nobody responds to the Axis players concerns except to deny that there is any validity to our complaints.

Would it hurt to throw us a bone. How hard would it be to let us create some small independent units for some AP cost or to be able to change tank types within reason like we can with planes. Most German players are getting frustrated because they can't get armor out of their pools when they are needed.
It really saps a lot of the fun of an already scripted German side.