OT: Red Tails

nashvillen · Post by **nashvillen** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:25 pm

Has anyone watched the trailer for this movie? The CGI of the aerial combat looks great. Looks like another movie about the Tuskegee airmen. Just hope there is more in the movie than just is shown in the trailer.

I hope they don't butcher the physics of flight too much...

Treetop64 · Post by **Treetop64** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:37 pm

Recent George Lucas movie = I have my doubts.

I see tons, tons of incorrect and fantasy markings on the German aircraft. I see History Channel "Dogfights!" physics. I see Terrance Howard.

OK, that last bit was just a jab. I like him, though I thought his acting style wasn't right for Law and Order: LA. At any rate, I desperately hope this movie isn't as bad as my instincts tell me it will be. The Tuskegee Airmen deserve a respectable, no BS movie.

LoBaron · Post by **LoBaron** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:37 pm

The maneuvres performed need waaay more room in reality, the 262 rolls like a 190, the 109 attack
formations got a spacing like on a peacetime demonstration flight, phew.
In general the enviroment is much too dense.

OTOH I like to bash that stuff out of a habit so don´t trust me. [:D]

Mark VII · Post by **Mark VII** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:44 pm

That's hollyweed for you.

Viewed the trailer this past weekend before "Warhorse". Yes, it has to be the Tuskegee boys and yes, the air enviroment looked way to dense. But will see it as it looks like it could be some good story telling.

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

The maneuvres performed need waaay more room in reality, the 262 rolls like a 190, the 109 attack
formations got a spacing like on a peacetime demonstration flight, phew.
In general the enviroment is much too dense.

OTOH I like to bash that stuff out of a habit so don´t trust me. [:D]

LoBaron · Post by **LoBaron** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:47 pm

Worst thing is, that Hal guy, from the series "Malcom in the Middle" seems to play
an officer.

That reminds me of Al Bundy playing a police officer in a very serious thriller.
*shudder*

Still I will probably go and watch it with purposefully low expectations.

LoBaron · Post by **LoBaron** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:48 pm

Agree, it might be worth for the story alone.

koniu · Post by **koniu** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:50 pm

I hope it will not be another move that name shall not be spoken[:D]

Apollo11 · Post by **Apollo11** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:20 pm

Hi all,

The air combat depicted in trailers is another Hollywood style fantasyland... shame... [&:]

My re-post from "THE THREAD!!!" from few weeks ago:

This is getting worse and worse... most likely movie distater of "Pearl Harbor" magnitude that general public would like and we Grognards despise...

Red Tails Trailer Official (HD)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrnVEDq4QjQ

Red Tails - Official Trailer 2 [HD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCEMkJ0YF8

Red Tails - Official Trailer 3 [HD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=106JuQQNg10

Leo "Apollo11"

GreyJoy · Post by **GreyJoy** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:25 pm

ORIGINAL: Treetop64

I see tons, tons of incorrect and fantasy markings on the German aircraft. I see History Channel "Dogfights!" physics. I see Terrance Howard.

LOL... you're right mate. I remember a P-51 with a pair of me109s on its tail...the 51 suddenly simply stops and changes direction like an alien UFO... pure crap

nashvillen · Post by **nashvillen** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:39 pm

Oh, well... I had hopes...

I will still go see it with low expectations, maybe come out impressed. I may just go back to watching movies of fictional comic book stories where reality is left at the door and some good shoot 'em up action replaces it for a period of time.

I guess I am an eternal optimist.. Makes me a good JFB to beat up on! [;)]

decaro · Post by **decaro** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:35 pm

ORIGINAL: Treetop64

I see tons, tons of incorrect and fantasy markings on the German aircraft. I see History Channel "Dogfights!" physics ...

I thought I saw P-51Ds, but according to "Dogfights," the Red Tails didn't fly the bubble-canopy model.

jeffk3510 · Post by **jeffk3510** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:40 pm

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: Treetop64

I see tons, tons of incorrect and fantasy markings on the German aircraft. I see History Channel "Dogfights!" physics. I see Terrance Howard.

LOL... you're right mate. I remember a P-51 with a pair of me109s on its tail...the 51 suddenly simply stops and changes direction like an alien UFO... pure crap

That, and blowing up half of the ship with machine guns...[8|]

Apollo11 · Post by **Apollo11** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:29 pm

HI all,

ORIGINAL: Joe D.

I thought I saw P-51Ds, but according to "Dogfights," the Red Tails didn't fly the bubble-canopy model.

They were... [;)]

I once dig up the data for one discussion at "THE THREAD!!!"...

According to this site:

http://332ndfightergroup.blogspot.com/

The Tuskegee began receiving first P-51D models in spring of 1945...

In this photo: Benjamin O Davis Jnr pictured on the left with an unidentified airman. The aircraft is 'Creamer's Dream', one of the 332nd's first P-51Ds. According to my records, this P-51 was the personal mount of 1st Lt Charles White of the 301st Squadron, and was accountable for the destruction of two Bf 109s on the 1st April, 1945. (Photo credit: Library of Congress):

Leo "Apollo1"

oldman45 · Post by **oldman45** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:33 pm

The traffic is a little dense but its a hollywood movie, maybe the will do a good job showing the skills of those pilots and how good they really were.

YankeeAirRat · Post by **YankeeAirRat** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:18 am

I saw this movie back around the begining of December, here is my review of it: Red Tails-Movie Review

Basically I think they had a chance to tell a good story, but to give it more drama they add things which just don't seem logically to have happened in that time frame (the thing that blew my mind was supposedly how a Tuskgee Airman was the lynch pin to Stulag III escape) and the CGI aircraft looked good, but you just couldn't tell the difference between the two or three flying together. They even used CGI for ground scenes, couldn't afford to build (or fund borrowing) a few real P-40's and P-51's for the ground scenes.

nashvillen · Post by **nashvillen** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:32 am

I will wait and see it at the Sunday afternoon every movie is $4.00 showing. I am just sick, as they now have the technology to properly demonstrate things as they either were or could have been with proper respect for history, logistics, tactics, etc.

Oh, well, so much for that! [:@]

gradenko2k · Post by **gradenko2k** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:44 am

ORIGINAL: LoBaron
Worst thing is, that Hal guy, from the series "Malcom in the Middle" seems to play
an officer.

I take it you're not familiar with the TV series "Breaking Bad"? Bryan Cranston may have started out in Malcolm in the Middle, but he's definitely more than just a comedy actor.

zzodr · Post by **zzodr** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:36 am

ORIGINAL: YankeeAirRat

(the thing that blew my mind was supposedly how a Tuskgee Airman was the lynch pin to Stulag III escape)

Yeah that part is in "Hart's War" with Bruce Willis.

zzodr · Post by **zzodr** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:37 am

Won't be seeing this one after watching the trailer. Looks like another Hollywood fantasy.

LoBaron · Post by **LoBaron** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:45 am

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000

ORIGINAL: LoBaron
Worst thing is, that Hal guy, from the series "Malcom in the Middle" seems to play
an officer.
I take it you're not familiar with the TV series "Breaking Bad"? Bryan Cranston may have started out in Malcolm in the Middle, but he's definitely more than just a comedy actor.

I heard of it, never seen it. But you are right, he has talent for more than a comedy actor, its
probably just me relating him to the character.

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