Fw 190 F

Augusto · Post by **Augusto** » Fri Aug 09, 2002 5:08 am

I finished my second game against the sovietic AI ( max help) in WIR 3.2 with victory in january 1944 ( yes I am a poor player).

The computer after convert my SG units from Stuka to Fw 190 F started to reconvert them to Fw 190 A. It make no sense for me. Is this a bug?

Possum · Post by **Possum** » Fri Aug 09, 2002 7:30 am

Hello Augusto,
Did you have large numbers of Fw-190A's in your aircraft pool? Where you not Building Fw-190F's?, or was the build rate low for the Fw-190F?

davewolf · Post by **davewolf** » Fri Aug 09, 2002 8:01 am

Had the same problems. Scen. was Possum WIR4. Building about 75 Fw-190 F per week, low losses, but even more Fw-190 A in the pool.

End of story: a lot of fighter wings, no fighter-bomber ones. Only few Fw-190 A in the pool, but almost 3000 Fw-190 F/G.

Very annoying.

Possum · Post by **Possum** » Fri Aug 09, 2002 8:35 am

Unfortunately I've no idea why it's doing that.
In WIR 3.2, the Fw-190 F has no upgrade, so should not re-equip unless your very short of Fw-190F's.
In my custom scenarios, the Fw-190F upgrades to the Fw-190G, so again should not be turning into Fw-190A's.

davewolf · Post by **davewolf** » Fri Aug 09, 2002 8:39 am

Originally posted by Possum
Unfortunately I've no idea why it's doing that.
In WIR 3.2, the Fw-190 F has no upgrade, so should not re-equip unless your very short of Fw-190F's.
In my custom scenarios, the Fw-190F upgrades to the Fw-190G, so again should not be turning into Fw-190A's.

Yeah, I looked at the upgrade paths and there isn't one. So there's noone to blame.

But it does upgrade. A bug (repeating Augusto)???

RickyB · Post by **RickyB** » Fri Aug 09, 2002 8:50 am

Originally posted by davewolf

Yeah, I looked at the upgrade paths and there isn't one. So there's noone to blame.

But it does upgrade. A bug (repeating Augusto)???

Don't know if it is a bug or not, as Arnaud has said he has tweaked the code for general AI upgrading quite a bit. However, it does sound like an issue to be dealt with, as it shouldn't be doing this kind of thing it sounds like.

Preuss · Post by **Preuss** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 2:14 am

I don't think I'll even build the fw-190F. I'd prefer to have either Ju-87G's (tank busters), or Hs-129's.
I suspect I may not build the me-410, either. Most likely, I'll eventually convert my Zerstorer Geschwaderen to fighters.

Augusto · Post by **Augusto** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:01 am

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Hello Augusto,
Did you have large numbers of Fw-190A's in your aircraft pool? Where you not Building Fw-190F's?, or was the build rate low for the Fw-190F?
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Hi

The numbers were Pool/Week Production

FW 190A 715/85
Fw 190 F 316/33

As I cant stop the computer to transform my figther bombers in fighters I stoped to product 190 F and change them to JU 88. My intention was put ME 410 on those groups but the game end before.

Yogi Yohan · Post by **Yogi Yohan** » Sat Aug 10, 2002 12:18 pm

I had a similar problem, indicating there's some sort of hardcoded upgrade path or preference ladder.

In my custom setup, I have delayed the Bf-110G until spring 1942 (for historical reasons). In the meantime, I had equipped all my Zerstörer-Geschwadren with the Bf-110E but built no new ones so in spring of 1942 I had four ZG with about 130 planes each and very high experience, and very few in the pool (about 20-30). Now I had the Bf-110G coming into production, just in time to savage the allied bombers.

Then I turn production control over to the computer for a turn to allow it to upgrade my StuG-IIIb factories to StuG-IIIg in one turn - and the AI promptly upgrades one of my ZG to Bf-109F (of which I had tonnes in the pool after upgrading to Fw-190A as main fighter). There was no uppgrade path from Bf-110E to Bf-109F. It did it anyway.

Micha · Post by **Micha** » Sun Aug 11, 2002 4:14 pm

My guess is that the AI is programmed to look for units that cannot receive replacements for lack of material and change those to other types with plenty of replacements available.
This would make a lot of sense because it would prevent units having to fight with low numbers while there are lots of planes uselessly idle in the replacement pool. But of course the AI won't be able to know when the player does not want such a change because he has other plans.

davewolf · Post by **davewolf** » Sun Aug 11, 2002 6:33 pm

Don't think so. In the case I described above the AI changed though there were more than enough planes in the pool to replace with.

Micha · Post by **Micha** » Sun Aug 11, 2002 9:45 pm

Well, yes, now I remember that in one of my games the AI always changed my Grants back to T-70s without a reason. And I think it was even on "human upgrade control". Perhaps there really is a problem.

Preuss · Post by **Preuss** » Mon Aug 12, 2002 12:48 pm

Lord help us if He-111 Geschwaderen und Jagers 'upgrade' to mixed fighter and bomber!

davewolf · Post by **davewolf** » Mon Aug 12, 2002 12:51 pm

Originally posted by Preuss
Lord help us if He-111 Geschwaderen und Jagers 'upgrade' to mixed fighter and bomber!

LOL