On Tank Destroyers

Vetkin · Post by **Vetkin** » Sat Aug 17, 2002 10:06 pm

What's the best Tank Destroyer in the game??

The M18 is pretty good IMO, cheap. Except sometimes a .50 cal at the right spot can punch through their thin armor.

German StuG40s are pretty good too, good armor protection.

Would you guys rather purchase TDs or Tanks??

Tanks have better armor but are generally slower. TDs are FAST but have less protection.

Truckeye · Post by **Truckeye** » Sat Aug 17, 2002 11:07 pm

i always have a healthy portion of TDs. i love the hellcat, jgpz/70, isu122. mid war americans the m10 is a must have. hetzers are cool, but have lots of limitations. the jagdpanther is one of my favorite tanks of the war.

usually a drawback of most TDs is lack of HE, so i usually support mine with infantry. also if immobilized the german and soviets without turrets are stuck with limited arc of fire.

in SP1 it seemed the stug3 was such a value, many of my opponets and i used them exclusively. but now i take panthers when avail. pz3/4 have similar abilities, but more expensive, so i like the stugs over them.

fontenoy · Post by **fontenoy** » Sun Aug 18, 2002 1:17 am

If I'm playing an assault I prefer to use tanks.some of my favourites are the British VC Firefly(17pdr)it puts Tigers out of action fairly regularly.The German Panther G is also very effective and the Russian IS 122 also does adecent job.In assaults I want something that withstands infantry attacks a bit better than an open turret vehicle.When fighting defensively,I tend to purchase more TD's.The M36 Jackson is a favourite of mine.Ilike the 90mm gun for sheer hitting power.also,like Truckeye,I love to use the Jagdpanther(I actually prefer it to the Jagdtiger)they seem to withstand a lot of punishment,they're hard to knock out.This is strictly based on my experience of them in the game.
When using TD's I try to conceal them between buildings or behind hills,moving them as little as possible.Moving them to positions dictated by where th AI concentrates(and BOY does it concentrate!) enemy armour.Half the fun ofSPWAW is learning which tanks and TD's perform best through simple trial &error.I am no expert on armoured warfare.Believe me.
Regards,
Fontenoy.

Hades · Post by **Hades** » Sun Aug 18, 2002 1:40 am

The T95!! nothing beats a 105 firing ap. But for a wartime TD i would pick, the Hellcat, though the French have a truck mounted 90mm that tear up any German tanks it sees

Vetkin · Post by **Vetkin** » Sun Aug 18, 2002 9:24 am

The Italians have a similar truck, a huge 90mm mounted on it. I don't know if its as good as the French cannon though, and what its armor penetration value is.

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Sun Aug 18, 2002 2:20 pm

I hate Wolverines

Why? They are just awesome TD's and I always end up facing them when playing GE. Somewhat easy to take out, but lethal. Always have a few of them when playing U.S.

Since SP:WAW allows for "the spin dance", StuG's major weakness is almost eliminated. It can spin around and track a target just as fast as any tank as long as it's not immobilized.

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Vetkin · Post by **Vetkin** » Sun Aug 18, 2002 3:28 pm

Hellcats are better IMO cuz they're much faster hehehehe

Makes it easier for you to steal a flanking hill first for overwatch, especially for German or Russian late/end war heavy tanks. (Especially late Tigers, late Panthers, IS series etc.)

They're pretty flimsy though, not to mention open-topped.
One shot and usually they go kaboom!

(If you don't place them well enough.)

They are bad for offense, better for overwatch. They can usually be taken out while moving by hidden AT guns or tanks/ tank destroyers because of their flimsy armor.

British Archers and Achilles TDs are not bad (How can they be?? With 17lb. guns hehe)

Durruti · Post by **Durruti** » Tue Aug 20, 2002 12:30 am

what do you think about the Marder ??

It's a cheap option and has enough punch to put out of action shermans.

Hades · Post by **Hades** » Tue Aug 20, 2002 5:29 am

If I remember right the Marder doesn't have very mch ammo, plus you dont need a Tank Destroyer to kill a Sherman. A fist sized rock does a god job.

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 8:11 pm

Originally posted by Hades
If I remember right the Marder doesn't have very mch ammo, plus you dont need a Tank Destroyer to kill a Sherman. A fist sized rock does a god job.

Kaakao · Post by **Kaakao** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 8:44 pm

Nashorn is probably the best tank destroyer if you use it right. It has a fire contorl and range finder at 8, very powerfull gun which can kill even the heaviest Soviet tanks and it's fast. The armor is quite weak but it's no prob because it's one shot - one dead when used properly

Ivan · Post by **Ivan** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 10:29 pm

i belive the elephant is the ultimate tankdestroyer.
with rangefinder and firecontrol 10 it cant miss:D
still i never buy them.

*note to self-buy elephants next game*

Kaakao · Post by **Kaakao** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 11:29 pm

Originally posted by Ivan
i belive the elephant is the ultimate tankdestroyer.
with rangefinder and firecontrol 10 it cant miss:D
still i never buy them.

*note to self-buy elephants next game*

Elephant has fire control and range finder at 6 and it's too slow to use in areas that don't have roads. But, it's still fun driving it on top of a hill watch when the enemy tries to shoot it with no hope of damage

DerC · Post by **DerC** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 11:46 pm

Originally posted by Ivan
i belive the elephant is the ultimate tankdestroyer.

Agree mostly. They're a pain to kill if you're fighting an experienced player who knows how to take advantage of the massive frontal armour.

But then again, it's a very slow TD! Remember one time I purchased them. Then on the first turn, it was nice to see they move maybe two hexes per turn in bad weather. :rolleyes:

Ivan · Post by **Ivan** » Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:24 am

hmm i must be confusing something here.
what tank is it that has firecontrol 10 or was it rangefinder*questionmark*
cos im certain theres one

JediMessiah · Post by **JediMessiah** » Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:32 am

i like nashorns (have good hitting power, accurracy, nice ammo package, decent speed, poor armor however, but then again who goes toe to toe tank vs. td?)

elefants are nice as well, especially in good weather and vis, really act as an at-bunker with tracks and great acc/range

wolverines are also pretty good

sztartur2 · Post by **sztartur2** » Thu Aug 22, 2002 10:53 pm

Originally posted by Kaakao
Nashorn is probably the best tank destroyer if you use it right. It has a fire contorl and range finder at 8, very powerfull gun which can kill even the heaviest Soviet tanks and it's fast. The armor is quite weak but it's no prob because it's one shot - one dead when used properly

I played a PBEM game recently and I experienced the power of the Nashorns... Both against me and both in my arsenal as we played a mirror game wich was a massive tank battle.

If you place the on them top of a _distant_ hill they can harvest even the strongest russian armor.

Artur

Vetkin · Post by **Vetkin** » Fri Aug 23, 2002 5:17 am

Yes, if visibility is that long I guess, what's its main gun? I mean how big is it and what's its penetration at 10 hexes?

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Sat Aug 24, 2002 5:24 am

Originally posted by Vetkin
Yes, if visibility is that long I guess, what's its main gun? I mean how big is it and what's its penetration at 10 hexes?

It's an 88

If you don't know the AP penetration by heart, go study...

It's main advantage is it's HEAVY front armor... otherwise, it's just what it looks like... a down-scaled Tiger (hey, they had to do *something* with those 90 Porsche chassis (chasii????), didn't they?)

kevsharr · Post by **kevsharr** » Sat Aug 24, 2002 7:26 pm

The Elephant was indeed based on the Porsche chassis origanally developed as a competitor in the tiger competition.It was first designated the Ferdinand after Ferdinand Porsche and was first used in Oper. Citadel where it did not fare so well,mostly from a lack of secondary armament.This was corrected when the survivor's were rebuilt,ie a bow machine gun also a heavy deflector was added to the gun barrel just forward of the mantlet.These were redesignated the Elephant and deployed to Italy where the indeed made effective mobile bunker's.The Hornisse which was later redesignated the Nashorn on a order from Hitler was a L/70 88mm gun mounted in a open-topped superstructure on a Pzkw IV chassis.The reoson the Elephant is apparently so slow in SpWAW is that they employed a drive system that had a 700hp engine running a ac generator which in turn powered electrically powered final drives thus it was'nt a fast vehicle.They required large amount's of strategically important copper which led to the decision not to place it into mass-production

On Tank Destroyers

On Tank Destroyers

agreed...