Like everyone, I've had my share of bad ideas. Taking up this challenge may be right up there. [;)]
This will be the 41-45 GC, random weather and I will again take the Soviet side.
My hope is that now with a pair of games played into 1943, I have some clue as to what I should be doing.
Goal #1 is lasting longer than Saper's last opponent. We shall see.
The War for Survival - M60A3TTS vs Saper222
Moderators: Joel Billings, Sabre21
RE: The War for Survival - M60A3TTS vs Saper222 (no Saper)
Looking forward to watching this one
"We are going to attack all night, and attack tomorrow morning..... If we are not victorious, let no one come back alive!" -- Patton
WITE-Beta
WITW-Alpha
The Logistics Phase is like Black Magic and Voodoo all rolled into one.
WITE-Beta
WITW-Alpha
The Logistics Phase is like Black Magic and Voodoo all rolled into one.
Turn 1
Turn 1 - 6/22/41
In the north, Saper's panzers crossed over the Daugava, but did not try to storm Riga. Red Army defenses were put together in the vicinity of Pskov. A number of higher morale divisions were set to refit and sent to this area.
In the center, his forces reached the outskirts of Minsk. A screen line went up over the Berezina while other units occupied the east bank of the Dnepr.
In the south, Saper did the extended Lvov opening. Defense lines went up along the Dnestr and extended north to the Sluch River. Units moved to occupy Odessa, Sevastopol and the Kerch Straits.
None of the pockets were breakable.
The Red Air Force headed for the national reserve. 2300 airframes were lost on the ground.
No command changes took place as I don't want incoming commanders saddled with losses not of their own creation. The disbands included the FZ's, the Baltic and Black Sea air commands as well as the Volga MD air command. I also got rid of some sapper battalions that will reform as regiments.
No industry evacs on turn 1 allowed of course. Priority in the following two weeks will be the arms factories of the Southwest Ukraine.
In the north, Saper's panzers crossed over the Daugava, but did not try to storm Riga. Red Army defenses were put together in the vicinity of Pskov. A number of higher morale divisions were set to refit and sent to this area.
In the center, his forces reached the outskirts of Minsk. A screen line went up over the Berezina while other units occupied the east bank of the Dnepr.
In the south, Saper did the extended Lvov opening. Defense lines went up along the Dnestr and extended north to the Sluch River. Units moved to occupy Odessa, Sevastopol and the Kerch Straits.
None of the pockets were breakable.
The Red Air Force headed for the national reserve. 2300 airframes were lost on the ground.
No command changes took place as I don't want incoming commanders saddled with losses not of their own creation. The disbands included the FZ's, the Baltic and Black Sea air commands as well as the Volga MD air command. I also got rid of some sapper battalions that will reform as regiments.
No industry evacs on turn 1 allowed of course. Priority in the following two weeks will be the arms factories of the Southwest Ukraine.
RE: Turn 1
I see a dangerous weakness just North of Vinnitsa.If you're going to defend that line you need to put a big plug in that gap with units in front and behind as well.I think his armor will be through there like a knife through butter.
I do sometimes defend that line but not against the extended Lvov.That opening makes the decision to clear out of Dodge an easy one.
Good idea not to change commanders on turn one.
I do sometimes defend that line but not against the extended Lvov.That opening makes the decision to clear out of Dodge an easy one.
Good idea not to change commanders on turn one.
Turn 2
WEEK 2 - 6/26/41
1st Panzer Division leads PzGrp 4 over the Velikaya towards Pskov.
In the center, Guderian's forces head for the land bridge west of Smolensk.
In the south, timmyab was right to point out the weakness of Vinnitsa, but there are only so many troops available with so many already surrounded. A new pocket is formed there and a pair of other divisions doomed. The Red Army falls back to screen Kiev. Four arms factories are evacuated from there.
Northwest Front receives several command changes, with Generals Zakharov, Vasilevsky and Tolbukhin taking over 8th, 11th and 27th Armies. 28th Army under Rodion Malinovsky joins Northern Front.
1st Panzer Division leads PzGrp 4 over the Velikaya towards Pskov.
In the center, Guderian's forces head for the land bridge west of Smolensk.
In the south, timmyab was right to point out the weakness of Vinnitsa, but there are only so many troops available with so many already surrounded. A new pocket is formed there and a pair of other divisions doomed. The Red Army falls back to screen Kiev. Four arms factories are evacuated from there.
Northwest Front receives several command changes, with Generals Zakharov, Vasilevsky and Tolbukhin taking over 8th, 11th and 27th Armies. 28th Army under Rodion Malinovsky joins Northern Front.
WEEK 3
WEEK 3 - 7/3/41
The Northwest Front is strengthened and AI Stalin relieves Fyodor Kuznetsov from command replacing him with Zhukov. Not an unwelcome development since the armies are already strengthened with good commanders and units, so Shaposhnikov will remain at STAVKA for the time being.
The Smolensk sector is the weaker area and Dnepr defenses much weaker than I have committed to in the past. Three divisions are newly pocketed. Reserve armies near Moscow move up to Rzhev-Kaluga and await arrival of Reserve Front next turn. Those units go on refit.
In the south, a screen line is formed to protect the D-Z area while arms evacuations can be arranged. Defenses shift south away from Kiev and more to resist a crossing of the Dnepr across from Poltava.
All 16 arms from D-town are sent off to Molotov.
Air regiment TO&Es are now down to 20 aircraft so fighter replacements start in the NR, with LaGG-3, Mig-1 and MiG-3s replacing first the I-153s and then the I-16 series. Morale is still low for some of these of these (in 30's) so we will keep them in the NR until they recover more morale. In the meantime, I re-deployed about 180 fighter bombers each to Northern and NW air commands.
The weather forecast for next week is rain in the central zone (i.e. turn 4 is back). [;)] That will give me more options on how to defend in the area of Smolensk-Vyazma with the next wave of arriving divisions.
The Northwest Front is strengthened and AI Stalin relieves Fyodor Kuznetsov from command replacing him with Zhukov. Not an unwelcome development since the armies are already strengthened with good commanders and units, so Shaposhnikov will remain at STAVKA for the time being.
The Smolensk sector is the weaker area and Dnepr defenses much weaker than I have committed to in the past. Three divisions are newly pocketed. Reserve armies near Moscow move up to Rzhev-Kaluga and await arrival of Reserve Front next turn. Those units go on refit.
In the south, a screen line is formed to protect the D-Z area while arms evacuations can be arranged. Defenses shift south away from Kiev and more to resist a crossing of the Dnepr across from Poltava.
All 16 arms from D-town are sent off to Molotov.
Air regiment TO&Es are now down to 20 aircraft so fighter replacements start in the NR, with LaGG-3, Mig-1 and MiG-3s replacing first the I-153s and then the I-16 series. Morale is still low for some of these of these (in 30's) so we will keep them in the NR until they recover more morale. In the meantime, I re-deployed about 180 fighter bombers each to Northern and NW air commands.
The weather forecast for next week is rain in the central zone (i.e. turn 4 is back). [;)] That will give me more options on how to defend in the area of Smolensk-Vyazma with the next wave of arriving divisions.
RE: WEEK 3
OOB
North
Moscow (Rzhev-Kaluga Line)
Smolensk
South
North
Moscow (Rzhev-Kaluga Line)
Smolensk
South
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Harrybanana
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RE: The War for Survival - M60A3TTS vs Saper222 (no Saper)
ORIGINAL: Harrybanana
Is this game still active?
Yes it is. I've been playing this game rather slowly and since Saper is also playing with Kamil, I don't think the pace is an issue for him. Things will probably pick up once we have a few more turns in the books. In any case I will be updating this shortly.
WEEK 4
WEEK 4 - 7/10/41
Marshal Mud arrived to take over the Central Soviet Weather Zone which extended from Leningrad to Dnepropetrovsk. Movement across most of the front was reduced for both sides. German mobile formations in the north remained concentrated 20-30 miles northeast of Pskov. In the center, Reserve Front under Gen-Lt Ivan Bogdanov was assigned various armies defending the Rzhev-Kaluga line as the enemy amassed formations on the land bridge. In the south, Red Army units established a defensive line on the east bank of the Dnepr.
On the Finnish frontier, Northern Front units established defensive positions near Janisjarvi.
Due to the terrain conditions, the Axis forces were unable to establish any new pockets.
A few Soviet cavalry divisions were assigned to the Volga Military District for training and augmentation near Saratov.
Our aircraft deployments included about 350 between Northern and Nothwest Fronts with close to 300 around Moscow. Manual upgrades continued in order to gradually phase out the I-16 fighter regiments. About 5.500 aircraft remained in the National Reserve to continue to recover morale.
Arms factories at Vsevolzhsky (near Leningrad) and Zaporozhye were evacuated.
Marshal Mud arrived to take over the Central Soviet Weather Zone which extended from Leningrad to Dnepropetrovsk. Movement across most of the front was reduced for both sides. German mobile formations in the north remained concentrated 20-30 miles northeast of Pskov. In the center, Reserve Front under Gen-Lt Ivan Bogdanov was assigned various armies defending the Rzhev-Kaluga line as the enemy amassed formations on the land bridge. In the south, Red Army units established a defensive line on the east bank of the Dnepr.
On the Finnish frontier, Northern Front units established defensive positions near Janisjarvi.
Due to the terrain conditions, the Axis forces were unable to establish any new pockets.
A few Soviet cavalry divisions were assigned to the Volga Military District for training and augmentation near Saratov.
Our aircraft deployments included about 350 between Northern and Nothwest Fronts with close to 300 around Moscow. Manual upgrades continued in order to gradually phase out the I-16 fighter regiments. About 5.500 aircraft remained in the National Reserve to continue to recover morale.
Arms factories at Vsevolzhsky (near Leningrad) and Zaporozhye were evacuated.
RE: The War for Survival - M60A3TTS vs Saper222 (no Saper)
Mud in the Central Region on turn #4 is just too much of a summer game-changer. It slows the German infantry march to the battle in nearly every army group sector and gives the Soviets another turn to strengthen forts. It's too great of a variable and, in this case, gives M60 a good chance to hold Moscow.
Flaviusx appropriately deems the '41 summer German O as a sexual arousal to the '42 summer climax, but if my personal experiences are a gage, less of the first hurts much the latter.
Flaviusx appropriately deems the '41 summer German O as a sexual arousal to the '42 summer climax, but if my personal experiences are a gage, less of the first hurts much the latter.
WITE is a good addiction with no cure.
WEEK 5
WEEK 5 - 7/17/41
In the north, the panzer formations northeast of Pskov turned southeast to assist in the pocketing of two rifle divisions and an airborne brigade. Additional German motorized formations farther south surround another three divisions and another airborne brigade.
In the center, the German 20th motorized divisons make a strike east and take Vyazma.
In the south, SS divisions Das Reich and LSSAH cross the Dnepr with 10th Panzer Division.
At Kharkov, the T-34 plant and all arms factories are evacuated.
In the north, the panzer formations northeast of Pskov turned southeast to assist in the pocketing of two rifle divisions and an airborne brigade. Additional German motorized formations farther south surround another three divisions and another airborne brigade.
In the center, the German 20th motorized divisons make a strike east and take Vyazma.
In the south, SS divisions Das Reich and LSSAH cross the Dnepr with 10th Panzer Division.
At Kharkov, the T-34 plant and all arms factories are evacuated.
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TulliusDetritus
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RE: WEEK 5
It looks like Leningrad is not on his radar. The center is. I suspect you will have to concentrate your forces on this area, comrade! [8D]
Still, you're giving him a free pass in the center. His spearheads are already near the Rzhev-Vyazma axis.
Still, you're giving him a free pass in the center. His spearheads are already near the Rzhev-Vyazma axis.
"Hitler is a horrible sexual degenerate, a dangerous fool" - Mussolini, circa 1934
WEEK 6
WEEK 6 - 7/24/41
Mud hit the North Soviet Weather Zone to slow down Saper's advance on Moscow. The surrounded Red Army units west of Velikie Luki are liquidated.
In the south, a single thrust by Saper's panzertruppen drive into Kharkov that destroys the remaining industry there. Odessa falls and two defending rifle divisions and an armor division are routed.
20 arms factories are evacuated at Stalino as the stronger southern units are deployed to defend the city.
Mud hit the North Soviet Weather Zone to slow down Saper's advance on Moscow. The surrounded Red Army units west of Velikie Luki are liquidated.
In the south, a single thrust by Saper's panzertruppen drive into Kharkov that destroys the remaining industry there. Odessa falls and two defending rifle divisions and an armor division are routed.
20 arms factories are evacuated at Stalino as the stronger southern units are deployed to defend the city.
RE: The War for Survival - M60A3TTS vs Saper222 (no Saper)
M60, show your fort strengths. It'll give us an idea of what you're setting up defensively.
WITE is a good addiction with no cure.
WEEK 7
WEEK 7 - 7/31/41
Saper's northern push comes south of Lake Ilmen crossing over the Pola with 5 panzer and 4 motorized divisions. A pocket of two rifle and one tank division was broken by Red Army units.
In the center, a couple German attacks on the Rzhev-Kaluga Line.
The Axis pushes hard in the south
Production
Casualties
Saper's northern push comes south of Lake Ilmen crossing over the Pola with 5 panzer and 4 motorized divisions. A pocket of two rifle and one tank division was broken by Red Army units.
In the center, a couple German attacks on the Rzhev-Kaluga Line.
The Axis pushes hard in the south
Production
Casualties
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sillyflower
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RE: WEEK 7
looks like you disbanded 6 army HQs. You will need them if you survive the first stage, and they will cost you 25 APs each to replace so might not be wise to disband any more
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