Freighter exploit and millions of civ cash

[paShadoWn]

The freighter exploit: when you run low on money, scrap all your freighters. Your bases will immediately churn out new ones and you will get money from it. Wait for these freighters to replenish resources at shipyards and scrap them again. I wouldnt say infinite but you can get 100k every few minutes.

The billions of civilian money: these bastards hoard huge sums as their income far outweighs what they pay to you and they dont spend any considerable amounts on anything else.

[Darkspire]

Not to pour petrol on an all ready stoked bonfire but I am getting the distinct impression you are not feeling the love for DW [:D]

Darkspire

[paShadoWn]

Do you believe in trolling? I do not. I tried to feed on others essence and found it weakening and disgusting. Most ppl are sick and corrupt. The good communities give much better stuff just for joining and doing some simple tasks.

Theres a good reference for it in DoW2: Chaos Rising when Space Marine exclamates with disgust seeing the sacrifice scene: "He feeds on them!" Which explains that Astartes, being undeniably powerful, do not condescend to feasting on others to sustain their super-human strength.

Love? All i feel is a bitter disappointment. First time in history of Earth a proper space sim was conceived, and for years it suffers from poor implementation. I had some expectations for Stardrive too, but it turned out to be a rip-off DW with missing features. Consider this, there are only two games of this kind: DW and Majesty. The second was flawless but could use a lot more expansions than one. The DW is still in development, which means it will improve.

[necaradan666]

Going by all your posts; it seems your dislike of DW, and your judgements on what would make it a superior 4x leave you with at least one obvious recourse.. make your own game. One that works the way you think it should. People might even buy it, who knows.

Plenty of Astartes feed on their foes, even of the most loyal chapters, and the Blood Ravens are far from the most loyal, depending on who you ask.

[Shark7]

Easy fix to the freighter exploit...don't do it.

The only person you are cheating is yourself when you do that. It's not a multi-player game, if you use an exploit, you have only yourself to blame and you only ruin your own enjoyment. I refuse to use such an exploit, even though I know how the economy works in game. I prefer to take up the challenge of fixing my cashflow without resorting to exploits, and it turns out to be a fun challenge.

There is no such thing as a perfect game. It really is up to you if you choose to cheat, if you don't use the exploit you have found, it is a non-issue.

[MarQan]

+1

[MayhemMike]

hm, does it even matter? I mean you can simply open the world editor and give yourself as much money as you want

[Brainsucker]

But I think the civilian should be given more options on how to spend their money to. Not only to buy a new spaceship; so you can hoard their cash for the greater good. Well, maybe the next DW expansion can exploit these civilians more.

[elanaagain]

I agree with stark7. Exploits are only exploits if the user implements the exploit (when playing a single player game). I have said this numerous times on the Elemental war of magic forums. If its an exploit, don't do it. If you don't like the teleport spells, don't use them. In DW, there are several ways to 'cheat.' Since its not an AI issue, just don't do it. I would rather the programmers spend their time fixing bugs, improving the AI's performance (better opponents), and improving the interface windows, etc.

[Ob1ivion]

I've just started skipping over any response from paShadoWn. They're always full of some other video game quote and snide remarks on DW that aren't really effective criticism.

[Lucian]

Still, if there were an easy way of fixing the exploit (big if), it should probably be fixed, not all of us like to hamstring ourselves when we play a game. The economic system should be robust enough that such cheap exploits are not even possible. The game design would probably benefit from it too, although at this late stage I fear that such a fix would be non trivial and far too difficult to implement.

[Shark7]

The simplest fix is to simply disable scrapping or gifting of civilian ships. Exploit fixed. Then again, this takes away a diplomacy tool from the player (ship gifting). In other words, a catch 22, you fix one thing and break another.

Of course I will always fall back on the 'Don't use it in the first place' fix myself.

Honestly, it was never a problem till now, probably because most of us either didn't think to do it, or didn't complain about something we chose not to do in the first place.

[Bloodly]

It only works for Empires anyway. Pirates don't get a private sector to mooch off.

[Larsenex]

Ooo, you can GIFT ships? All this time and I never knew that! Oooo I am gonna make some happy Securans!

[Bebop Cola]

Does gifting ships net you any benefit diplomatically? I've not looked to confirm, but as it's happening outside the diplomacy screen is it tracked as a diplomatic action?

[Shark7]

Well I found it by accident actually, here's a screen shot showing what you do.

Choose the ship, right click on it, and you get a choice of who to give the ship to.

[Bebop Cola]

Right. I've gifted ships to other empires as well, I'm just not sure it's registered diplomatically. Ideally it would be, of course.

[Larsenex]

I just found this feature as well. It 'should' register some way diplomatically but who knows.

Does gifting a ship with a Admiral or General on it Kill him off? I know he dies if you scrap the ship as I scrapped a bunch of ships that were 'stuck retrofitting' and the Your admiral died off in a freak accident message.

[Osito]

I tried giving about 50 ships to another empire, which changed the balance of power so that they were more powerful militarily than my empire. It didn't have any effect on their opinion of me. So I'm inclined to think this doesn't affect diplomatic relations, until such time as someone can prove it does.

If you give away a ship with a Fleet Admiral or Ship Captain on it, you will lose them.

Osito

[Bingeling]

ORIGINAL: Shark7

The simplest fix is to simply disable scrapping or gifting of civilian ships. Exploit fixed. Then again, this takes away a diplomacy tool from the player (ship gifting). In other words, a catch 22, you fix one thing and break another.

Of course I will always fall back on the 'Don't use it in the first place' fix myself.

Honestly, it was never a problem till now, probably because most of us either didn't think to do it, or didn't complain about something we chose not to do in the first place.

Or simply remove all control of the civilian ships. They are civilian anyways. Why should you be allowed to gift them? Retrofit them? Scrap them? They are not under the player's control.

That way it would at least require some work with frequent design changes to exploit their cash into the player's bank account.