stuck in the mud

philip · Post by **philip** » Sun Sep 29, 2002 6:05 pm

if a vehicle is stuck in the mud, will the addition of infantry or engineers speed up the recovery of the vehicle? thank you

Supervisor · Post by **Supervisor** » Sun Sep 29, 2002 7:04 pm

No, it's immobilization will remain until the crew passes enough experieince checks to get it unstuck. Sometimes it could take a few turns other times it make never get unstuck.

Irinami · Post by **Irinami** » Sun Sep 29, 2002 8:09 pm

That's a pretty good idea, though. ^_^

philip · Post by **philip** » Sun Sep 29, 2002 11:35 pm

Thank you gmenfan and irinami, I appreciate the help.

Jim1954 · Post by **Jim1954** » Wed Oct 09, 2002 10:50 pm

gmenfan, would the proximity of an 0 level unit in good condition , that the stuck unit is subordinate to , increase the speed of these experience checks or have a positive impact on the outcome?

Capt. Pixel · Post by **Capt. Pixel** » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:53 am

Originally posted by Jim1954
gmenfan, would the proximity of an 0 level unit in good condition , that the stuck unit is subordinate to , increase the speed of these experience checks or have a positive impact on the outcome?

I'm curious about this too. It seems to me that I've had better success getting movement-immobilized vehicles running when my A0 was adjacent. But, maybe it was just coincidence.

Jim1954 · Post by **Jim1954** » Thu Oct 10, 2002 9:02 pm

I can never tell. By the time my immob vehicle gets free, if it does, my A0 is usually further away than effective intervention range which is 5 hexes, I believe. Page 80 of the manual says this under Ammunition. Actually it says "HQ units" and refers to morale benefits. I wonder if it includes other benefits also such as repairs etc?

Jim1954 · Post by **Jim1954** » Thu Oct 10, 2002 9:20 pm

Alittle bit more reading and a little bit more illumination. Page 68 states, under Rally, that the effective range is 3 hexes if not in radio contact ,not 5. Is it 3 for rally and 5 for others?

Supervisor · Post by **Supervisor** » Fri Oct 11, 2002 2:13 am

The best I can make out of the conflicting info, is that during unit firing an HQ unit has to be within 5 hexes for the unit to receive a morale booster(pat on the back, confidence booster), but during the rally/experience check(the unit is under some type of duress if they have to perform these checks), formation leaders and HQ have to be 3 hexes away(as an extra security blanket so to speak). Remember many out of the ordinary actons of a unit are based on several factors, experience of the unit, surpression, and the luck of the die. Having an HQ unit nearby under all situtations helps increase the capabilities of it's existing unit's/formation, this becomes most critical when playing with C&C on as units might not even move if they don't have a radio unless the HQ unit is nearby.
I don't have a cut and dry answer but in my experince under ever type of scenario/situation style or country, having a nearby HQ benifits the entire formation, especially units less than 100%.

challenge · Post by **challenge** » Fri Oct 11, 2002 7:34 pm

I found that unit movement itself never seems to be a problem. When a unit is out of contact it can't change stance or get a new objective, but they seem to move just fine -- even better when routing. :rolleyes:

I've noticed that units within 5 hexes of the formation 0 unit seem to get slightly better odds on assaults and such, but trying to keep track of all the detail stuff is tough when I'm yelling at the computer for firing a half dozen units at a single squad. Does anyone know if Command units effects are cumulative, or if you just get the effect of one 0 unit?

Jim1954 · Post by **Jim1954** » Fri Oct 11, 2002 7:46 pm

from what I can tell from Mr. Manual, on pp. 76 , it looks like that the unit will draw it's "orders " first from it's immediate cdr: ex unit C1 draws from C0 until it's expended(C0) ,then from B0 ,if C0 was in contact with B0, then A0, if B0 is in contact with A0, *amn this is too complicated to type out.... I don't think you can use more than 1 at a time.

challenge · Post by **challenge** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 12:24 am

You can't get past them either...

If you need three C&C Points and unit C0 has 2 points left, it can't draw from B0 until it uses the two it has. So you have to eat them (change stance and repeat) so you can get the three points you need to change objectives from the next higher command.

It's not the C&C I was asking about though: If I have C0, B0 and A0 all with in 5 hexes of Squad C2, will C2 go through all of the 0 units to see if it can assault a AFV? It does it when you're rallying units, and I was wondering if each of the command units effect the moral or other checks units make separately, collectively or sequencially as in rally.

Sorroy that I wasn't clear.

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