The Fall of France

[Maucat]

Is for Germany better force France to surrender or install Vichy? [:)]

[are]

It depends.

If your plan is to attack USSR, then you want to install Vichy.
- Installing Vichy is quicker than conquering France.
- Most likely lower losses.
- Vichy can build BP which Germany can take over when they collapse Vichy.

If you want to secure the Mediterranean Sea installing Vichy is not such a good idea.
- Often, "Securing the Mediterranean" means you have to attack Spain, and then Vichy will be in the way. Collapsing Vichy has the same entry cost as creating Vichy or conquering France.
- Marocco, Algiers and Tunisia usually goes Vichy. If they are Vichy then the Axis can't secure them without collapsing Vichy, unless Italy conquered them before the fall of France.

[Ur_Vile_WEdge]

If you want to be a really filthy cheapass, you know, you don't need to install vichy immediately. You can.

1) Take Paris.
2) Swing south
3) Attack Spain.
4) Declare Vichy once you've taken Madrid.
5) Ship back with trs or rail back with that one hex wide corridor you have.


Be warned, your opponents might hit you with a rule book if you try this. Also, I think the surrender rules were created to stop this kind of exploit, so watch out for that.


But generally, are's analysis is spot on. As a corollary, Italy should take one of her faster territorials at the start (if you're playing with them) and race up Tunisia and Algeria if at all possible. Usually the French player leaves them undefended to have more bodies at the main front.

[celebrindal]

That's the strategy i'm going with.. tho i'm very surprised my opponent hasn't surrendered them yet. He keeps thinking that i'll have to eventually attack or something.. So right now i'm sitting massed on the spanish border just waiting for the weather to clear.

[sanderz]

to force a surrender of france - do you just need mainland france or do you also have to take their overseas possessions?

thanks

[Extraneous]

ORIGINAL: The RAW

13.7.6 Surrender
During any peace step, you can surrender a home country of a major power that controls less than half the printed factory stacks in the home country. You can surrender a home country with no printed factories if there is an enemy land unit there.

Treat the surrender of a home country as a complete conquest (see 13.7.1) of the major power if it doesn’t control any aligned minors. Otherwise it is incompletely conquered.

You cannot force a surrender.

[paulderynck]

You can incompletely conquer France by taking all printed factories, or you can takeParis and declare Vichy. Or France can choose to surrender in the circumstances given above.

[WarHunter]

Another consideration is how Japan can use Vichy to expand its borders.

USE options:
1. Japan occupies Indo-China
5. Japan occupies Madagascar

Read about these options in RAC page 96.

[sanderz]

thanks for the info guys - much appreciated