Allied Torpedo Dud rate

[kbfchicago]

Playing current production version (no beta), PBEM. DaBigBabes A. 1 Aug 43. "Reliable USN Torpedo" is NOT selected (so early war dud rates are in effect).

AFB. Dud rate remains abysmal so I did some checking. Little/no indication of increased hits especially with increased numbers of allied subs in theater (did have a better month in Jan/Feb 43 but back to few hits after that). Looked at tracker, lists 21"MK14 (device id# 96) with 80% dud rate...replaced by (unspecified date) 21"MK14 (device id# 1594) with 80% dud rate! Have been conducting regular sub upgrades, dismayed to see 21"MK14 as weapon even through all 1943 updates...(8/43 and 9/43 for Gatos and Balaos).

Manual indicates dud rates should decrease in 43 (as I read it, in "steps", dropping 20% in Jan 43 (to 60%) and then down to 10% in Sept. Looks like I'm stuck at 80% and no path to get to 10% next month (9/43).

(would have thought the game would use the Mk15 in Jan at 60% via device update and Mk18 in Sep at 10% to implement the dud rate drops, although I realize this isn't exactly historical use of these torps. Tracker shows Mk15 & 18 both at 60% and no path to use them from Mk14 and as far as I can see an any upgrade. Additionally no sub will carry MK15s or 18s according to future updates which all still use the Mk14).

What's up...am I doomed to have "bad fish" for the duration while the JFB feasts on fresh Allied Merchant Sushi and unlucky CA/BB/CVs?

Before I get a general post "use the beta Kevin"...our PBEM agreement is only production updates to keep a consistent game capability, we've been at this a couple of years now...although this may be a compelling reason (at least for this AFB) but only if the beta is known to fix this issue.

If the prod version (or the DaBabes DB?) "is" broken and this is a known error can we change the "Reliable USN Torp" setting to 'reset' allied dud rate to 10% mid game? That would be a minimum/targeted impact on game play vs. a beta.

Thanks, Kevin

[msieving1]

ORIGINAL: kbfchicago

Playing current production version (no beta), PBEM. DaBigBabes A. 1 Aug 43. "Reliable USN Torpedo" is NOT selected (so early war dud rates are in effect).

AFB. Dud rate remains abysmal so I did some checking. Little/no indication of increased hits especially with increased numbers of allied subs in theater (did have a better month in Jan/Feb 43 but back to few hits after that). Looked at tracker, lists 21"MK14 (device id# 96) with 80% dud rate...replaced by (unspecified date) 21"MK14 (device id# 1594) with 80% dud rate! Have been conducting regular sub upgrades, dismayed to see 21"MK14 as weapon even through all 1943 updates...(8/43 and 9/43 for Gatos and Balaos).

Manual indicates dud rates should decrease in 43 (as I read it, in "steps", dropping 20% in Jan 43 (to 60%) and then down to 10% in Sept. Looks like I'm stuck at 80% and no path to get to 10% next month (9/43).

(would have thought the game would use the Mk15 in Jan at 60% via device update and Mk18 in Sep at 10% to implement the dud rate drops, although I realize this isn't exactly historical use of these torps. Tracker shows Mk15 & 18 both at 60% and no path to use them from Mk14 and as far as I can see an any upgrade. Additionally no sub will carry MK15s or 18s according to future updates which all still use the Mk14).

What's up...am I doomed to have "bad fish" for the duration while the JFB feasts on fresh Allied Merchant Sushi and unlucky CA/BB/CVs?

Before I get a general post "use the beta Kevin"...our PBEM agreement is only production updates to keep a consistent game capability, we've been at this a couple of years now...although this may be a compelling reason (at least for this AFB) but only if the beta is known to fix this issue.

If the prod version (or the DaBabes DB?) "is" broken and this is a known error can we change the "Reliable USN Torp" setting to 'reset' allied dud rate to 10% mid game? That would be a minimum/targeted impact on game play vs. a beta.

Thanks, Kevin

The improvement in dud rate is automatic and is not a weapon upgrade. (See the manual.) The Mk 15 torpedo was for destroyers and could not be used by submarines.

[SqzMyLemon]

ORIGINAL: kbfchicago

What's up...am I doomed to have "bad fish" for the duration while the JFB feasts on fresh Allied Merchant Sushi and unlucky CA/BB/CVs?

Luck. Even though the dud rate decreases there's still the chance of a dud. As to your comment about "JFB's feasting" that's not always the case. I've encountered more duds with Japanese torpedoes than ever before. Sometimes it just comes down to bad luck, it's that simple.

[btd64]

I a game about a year ago I had next to no hits in 42. Jan 43 I hit and or sunk some 50+ IJN ships and the rate stayed about the same the rest of the game. On the other hand, I had one game were I couldn't shoot my way out of a wet paper bag until mid 44. Just a die roll, I guess.[;)]
Cheers

[kbfchicago]

Ok...was worried due the status reflected in Tracker...(80% dud rate), what I'm hearing is don't worry; "its in the code" and don't buy any lottery tickets...

[LoBaron]

And maybe also "do not confuse torp miss with dud". Happens quite often.

[kbfchicago]

Good point LeBaron...I have noted my skippers are (nearly) equally disappointing despite being hand picked at the cost of many PPs...perhaps I'm lucky in Luv? Goodness knows my significant other is more than understanding about my WITP-AE addiction...although she is unmerciful in pointing out it is my younger brother who is kicking my butt.

Clearly not lucky in WITP...but will keep at it...just one more die roll...I know the next one will be box cars! I think my worthy IJ opponent may have a different view of luck (just holed but did not sink two AKEs last turn with a single Dutch sub!!! of course there was the hat trick IJN I-33 had a couple of turns ago with Allied merchants South of NZ)

Thanks all for comments and assist, we return you now to your regularly scheduled forum activities.

[CaptDave]

Careful what you wish for -- you'll get boxcars for your next roll when snake-eyes is the desired outcome!