Anyone played this game?
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Hearts of Iron
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Hearts of Iron
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Les_the_Sarge_9_1
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I have been following this game since I turfed my interest in the fairy tale ladden Strategic Command game.
Strategic Command has only one connection with a decent wargame at this level, it has hexes.
That Hearts of Iron doesn't have hexes won't bother me at all though. Hexes do not make a wargame any good (as SC proved).
That the game's time management seems tedious is not much though as I understand the game has a fast forward capacity.
It appears to have all the logic and realism of a good game of A3R though.
It appears less vulnerable to "gamey" idiocy than SC clearly is.
After all if I want a game that allows me to completely ignore virtually any limitations required to make the game look and feel like that actual war, then I will get a game that allows me to completely forgo being stuck in earth during the 40's in the first place.
For those that can't handle historical limitations, I suggest they play Civilization III.
I am personally giving Hearts of Iron, Sarge's thumbs up till I get given a decent reason to say otherwise.
I think this is a refreshing potential change of pace when you have tired of Battlefield 1942 looking shooters, RTS sims, and Combat Mission looking games.
It is currently the only example of a game where the word "Strategy" is warranted by a wargamer.
Strategic Command has only one connection with a decent wargame at this level, it has hexes.
That Hearts of Iron doesn't have hexes won't bother me at all though. Hexes do not make a wargame any good (as SC proved).
That the game's time management seems tedious is not much though as I understand the game has a fast forward capacity.
It appears to have all the logic and realism of a good game of A3R though.
It appears less vulnerable to "gamey" idiocy than SC clearly is.
After all if I want a game that allows me to completely ignore virtually any limitations required to make the game look and feel like that actual war, then I will get a game that allows me to completely forgo being stuck in earth during the 40's in the first place.
For those that can't handle historical limitations, I suggest they play Civilization III.
I am personally giving Hearts of Iron, Sarge's thumbs up till I get given a decent reason to say otherwise.
I think this is a refreshing potential change of pace when you have tired of Battlefield 1942 looking shooters, RTS sims, and Combat Mission looking games.
It is currently the only example of a game where the word "Strategy" is warranted by a wargamer.
I LIKE that my life bothers them,
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
I just bought Hearts of Iron a couple of days ago.
All I can say is: It's brilliant!
Paradox has succeeded in making a game about ALL of WW2. It is a huge game world. And I mean HUGE. . .
I have played as Germany and got my butt kicked. I then switched and I am now playing as Italy. I am amazed at what Paradox has been able to put into this game.
And don't let the RTS part of it fool you. It is actually "continuous time" and can be slowed down to about one minute equals one month of time, and can be paused at every stage of the game.
If you like to micro-manage and fuss with your country, you will be in 7th heaven.
While it's not perfect, and things could be improved, Paradox has a reputation for listening to their customrs and supporting their games (like Matrix), and this game can only get better with improvements to the AI and with mods and scenarios. . .
I am having a blast playing it.
Cheers!
All I can say is: It's brilliant!
Paradox has succeeded in making a game about ALL of WW2. It is a huge game world. And I mean HUGE. . .
I have played as Germany and got my butt kicked. I then switched and I am now playing as Italy. I am amazed at what Paradox has been able to put into this game.
And don't let the RTS part of it fool you. It is actually "continuous time" and can be slowed down to about one minute equals one month of time, and can be paused at every stage of the game.
If you like to micro-manage and fuss with your country, you will be in 7th heaven.
While it's not perfect, and things could be improved, Paradox has a reputation for listening to their customrs and supporting their games (like Matrix), and this game can only get better with improvements to the AI and with mods and scenarios. . .
I am having a blast playing it.
Cheers!
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Les_the_Sarge_9_1
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Les_the_Sarge_9_1
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It hit the stores in Vancouver on Nov 26.Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
No luck in my corner of the world either, and I am not exactly in a software impoverished region.
I wonder how long this thing has been on the market though, does anyone know how long it has actually been on sale?
There are no less than 700 techs that you can research. If you want to fight the Pacific War as Japan - it's ALL there - carriers, battleships, . . .
As far as I know, no other company has succeeded in a WW2 game of this scale.
With UV, now Hearts of Iron, and later with WiTP, I am one happy wargamer. . .
Cheers!
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Les_the_Sarge_9_1
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swatter555
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Its a good game, though air power needs to be worked on. Its more than just good to tell the truth. It is pretty complicated with poor documentation, though the people at the BBS will help you out.
There are going to be a few things that they need to work on for it to be a good "wargame".
1) Minor powers tend to take too much territory. Germany often fights the major battles while their allies just occupy territory.
2) Airpower, as mentioned above. It needs to be more abstracted.
3) Naval warfare needs to be tweaked, especially carrier based airpower.
The game will go through growing pains, but it is still very good.
To the person who wants to buy EU first, just skip that and get EU2. EU2 is also a great game, very polished now.
There are going to be a few things that they need to work on for it to be a good "wargame".
1) Minor powers tend to take too much territory. Germany often fights the major battles while their allies just occupy territory.
2) Airpower, as mentioned above. It needs to be more abstracted.
3) Naval warfare needs to be tweaked, especially carrier based airpower.
The game will go through growing pains, but it is still very good.
To the person who wants to buy EU first, just skip that and get EU2. EU2 is also a great game, very polished now.
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Les_the_Sarge_9_1
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Just to keep threads in order where I have posted.
Hearts of Iron is currently enjoying the same status I gave to Strategic Command.
The game is not worth buying for any reason.
See my other threads for plenty of specifics.
Hearts of Iron is currently enjoying the same status I gave to Strategic Command.
The game is not worth buying for any reason.
See my other threads for plenty of specifics.
I LIKE that my life bothers them,
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
got it today, like it. only needs major tweaking on the AI and some minor rules to certain types of units.
for the rest its brilliant.
i am currently playing out a dutch-belgian war in 1937.
i have already taken over the Belgian Congo and have control of the skies.
Belgium is doomed, or it needs a miracle. next thing. Join the axis
for the rest its brilliant.
i am currently playing out a dutch-belgian war in 1937.
i have already taken over the Belgian Congo and have control of the skies. Belgium is doomed, or it needs a miracle. next thing. Join the axis
poep
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Culiacan Mexico
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Re: Hearts of Iron
Not yet, but there seems to be a lot of Euros who think it is the best thing since 'sliced bread'.Originally posted by Dave Briggs
Anyone played this game?
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Les_the_Sarge_9_1
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Hmmm a sports analogy, write this down guys because I don't know much about sports hehe. So sports related comments are very rare for me.
Hearts of Iron is like the Leafs. They kick butt in the opening stages, and then when it comes to the crunch they always seem to go flat.
I found that Hearts of Iron was the same. Lots to say nice things about initially, but then when you you go to pay for it, at the last second you realise it's better to buy a different game.
I can suggest a lot of titles, heck even titles that are not turn based designs. Just because I hate them doesn't mean I can't give an accurate review.
If you have money in your pocket, and are desperate to purchase something, and just can't handle my turn based world, then if it has to be a shooter or an RTS game, then you might think of Battlefield 1942 perhaps.
I won't play BF42 myself, but that has nothing to do with the product or product quality. I just don't like those games myself.
Hearts of Iron is like the Leafs. They kick butt in the opening stages, and then when it comes to the crunch they always seem to go flat.
I found that Hearts of Iron was the same. Lots to say nice things about initially, but then when you you go to pay for it, at the last second you realise it's better to buy a different game.
I can suggest a lot of titles, heck even titles that are not turn based designs. Just because I hate them doesn't mean I can't give an accurate review.
If you have money in your pocket, and are desperate to purchase something, and just can't handle my turn based world, then if it has to be a shooter or an RTS game, then you might think of Battlefield 1942 perhaps.
I won't play BF42 myself, but that has nothing to do with the product or product quality. I just don't like those games myself.
I LIKE that my life bothers them,
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
Well, HOI is not really a wargame for grognard ... it is a global strategy game in which war is of course a major component ... like R&D, economy end even diplomacy !
Right now, it is an enjoyable game even if the AI needs to be tweaked and some bugs to be solved. However, since the Paradox "after-release game support" is as good as the Matrix one, I think the situation will be quickly improved !
Moreover, nearly all the elements of the game are easily "modable" so some players (ie : Bolt) are now looking for ways to get a better UK or China AI, some OOB changes or stats units changes .
To sum up, it is right now quite a good game and I am confident that the next patch(es) ... and some community-made mods ... will improve it to a really GREAT game
Spooky
Right now, it is an enjoyable game even if the AI needs to be tweaked and some bugs to be solved. However, since the Paradox "after-release game support" is as good as the Matrix one, I think the situation will be quickly improved !
Moreover, nearly all the elements of the game are easily "modable" so some players (ie : Bolt) are now looking for ways to get a better UK or China AI, some OOB changes or stats units changes .
To sum up, it is right now quite a good game and I am confident that the next patch(es) ... and some community-made mods ... will improve it to a really GREAT game
Spooky
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dpstafford
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Speaking of Matrix support, I've noticed that your UV fansite hasn't announced the availability of versions 2.10 or 2.11 yet. Smart move! You've saved some people a lot of grief.Originally posted by Spooky
Right now, it is an enjoyable game even if the AI needs to be tweaked and some bugs to be solved. However, since the Paradox "after-release game support" is as good as the Matrix one, I think the situation will be quickly improved !
As for Paradox, as a long-time player of EU and EU2, I can tell you that they were never really able to solve the AI problems. You end up just accepting that and playing for the flavor of the history being presented. Or because you can't find anything else to do.
Well, the UV 2.11 patch does not seem to have some new bugs - so it is now announced in the UV FansiteOriginally posted by dpstafford
Speaking of Matrix support, I've noticed that your UV fansite hasn't announced the availability of versions 2.10 or 2.11 yet. Smart move! You've saved some people a lot of grief.
As for Paradox, as a long-time player of EU and EU2, I can tell you that they were never really able to solve the AI problems. You end up just accepting that and playing for the flavor of the history being presented. Or because you can't find anything else to do.
... but without a link since this file is not yet in the Matrix download page 
About EU 1/2, I spent an awful lot of time on these two games and even if the AI is not very smart, it is good enough for an entertaining game - especially playing an "underdog" country ...
BTW, I really like your sign