Air Mission not flying

[GrumpyMel]

Ok I'm snookered by this one. I'm playing the Grand Campaign from '43 and I can seem to get the RAF 2nd Tactical Air Force to fly a mission.

I've set them to Ground Attack German airfields in Northen France/Belgium. It's clear weather, they have no other AD's set. Their pilots/planes are not fatigued. The targets are in range. I've tried setting the Groups manualy or letting the computer do it auto. I've restricted the target to 1 hex. I've set the target priority to airfield as "HIGH" and everything else to ignore. The weather is clear, their minimal weather to fly is set to poor. Yet they keep executing 0 sorties. I've changed the target, just in case something was weird about that... still no dice. Anyone have any ideas about what I'm missing?

[Helpless]

The first thing to start troubleshooting no sorties situation is to check the color of the target area when you set it up. If it is full red (no green or purple), go to select the air groups and check "no fly" box. It should show what is the reason.

It still may no fly if it green/purple when all priority is set to none or if there are no valid targets in the area. You may look at the Logistics Event log (Shift-E) air exec section. It should have entry for the no flying air directive.

[carlkay58]

I am having the same problem in my Server game with Pelton. I don't have the problem with games vs the AI.

[Radagy]

I wonder if it may depend on the actual fighter escort level.
I had the same issue, I set escort level to 0 and my bombers started to fly again.
It was obviously my fault cause I based my bombers in southern Italy and my fighters in Sardinia.
Patel, could you please tell me de difference between a green target area and a purple one?

[Helpless]

Green - mission AC + escort coverage
Purple - mission AC and no escort.

[Radagy]

Ah, thanks. I really couldn't figure it out.

[GrumpyMel]

So the mission box shows GREEN, nothing in the event log about the mission not flying, it's just not flying. I even changed the Air Directive parameters to include units and rail at low priority to try to see if that changed anything and moved the strike craft closer to the target (and picked a new target) - still no dice.

The only thing I did was change the leader of this formation in the first turn or two of the scenario... that's it.

The Event Log did help me figure out why one of the missions I assigned for the 8th Air Force wasn't flying.... so that was a usefull piece of advice.... thanks. But it looks to me like the 2nd RAF is bugged.

My next step is to transfer a couple of those squadrons to 9th Air Force (and stage them in a base designated for 9th nearby) and see if they'll fly the same mission then.

I'll also change the AD target parameters for 2nd RAF to INTERDICT at normal priority and pick a target box that is a few hex's wide..... at this point I want to see if I can get them to fly ANY mission at all.

[marion61]

Have you tried deleting all of 2nd RAF air directives and then creating them new? If you haven't I would try this, sometimes it helps.

[Helpless]

unfortunately there is a lot of reason for them not to be flying, so I can't suggest anything more precise without a save.

Usually it is either no targets or no planes. Each of them might have dozen of reasons. I suggest you to start a new topic on support forum and upload a save. Could be something is really wrong and we never seen it before. Thanks.

[MechFO]

Instead of opening a new thread I'll just add my issue in here.

Is the automatic interception chance heavily dependent on weather?

The bad weather season has started in Italy with 2 drops and more, and suddenly the Allies can pound my fighter bases with impunity. Is this a case where a AS Directive would be mandatory to force my fighters to fly?

Just to add, the fighter units suddenly have all their aircraft under damaged or reserve, nothing ready even though they have plenty of pilots.

[Helpless]

Is the automatic interception chance heavily dependent on weather?

Yes, but so do striking missions.

Is this a case where a AS Directive would be mandatory to force my fighters to fly?

No, automatic interception should work. AS is much more universal "tool".

Just to add, the fighter units suddenly have all their aircraft under damaged or reserve, nothing ready even though they have plenty of pilots.

What is situation with supply and air support? Lack of each can have impact on availability.

[MechFO]

ORIGINAL: Helpless

What is situation with supply and air support? Lack of each can have impact on availability.

Lack of both as it turns out.

The problem is that all Italien air bases after surrender switch to Luftwaffe ones with

Max TOE 1
Supply Priority 0

This means that for the turn after the Italian surrender, all air units are effectively grounded. This might be WAD, but if one doesn't notice it immediately the air units are crippled for several turns. It is also annoying to have to manually change all the bases back to Auto TOE. It would be nice if the switch over defaults to Auto and Supply priority 2-3.

[Gorforlin]

ORIGINAL: carlkay58

I am having the same problem in my Server game with Pelton. I don't have the problem with games vs the AI.

Kinda weird bugs at times.

Some are HvH and some H v AI

All minor.

[Baelfiin]

ORIGINAL: MechFO

ORIGINAL: Helpless

What is situation with supply and air support? Lack of each can have impact on availability.

Lack of both as it turns out.

The problem is that all Italien air bases after surrender switch to Luftwaffe ones with

Max TOE 1
Supply Priority 0

This means that for the turn after the Italian surrender, all air units are effectively grounded. This might be WAD, but if one doesn't notice it immediately the air units are crippled for several turns. It is also annoying to have to manually change all the bases back to Auto TOE. It would be nice if the switch over defaults to Auto and Supply priority 2-3.

is that a 1.0 game or after patch?

[Shadowbane]

ORIGINAL: Baelfiin

ORIGINAL: MechFO

ORIGINAL: Helpless

What is situation with supply and air support? Lack of each can have impact on availability.

Lack of both as it turns out.

The problem is that all Italien air bases after surrender switch to Luftwaffe ones with

Max TOE 1
Supply Priority 0

This means that for the turn after the Italian surrender, all air units are effectively grounded. This might be WAD, but if one doesn't notice it immediately the air units are crippled for several turns. It is also annoying to have to manually change all the bases back to Auto TOE. It would be nice if the switch over defaults to Auto and Supply priority 2-3.

is that a 1.0 game or after patch?

Before the patch, thought it was me screwing up guess its another bug.

[MechFO]

ORIGINAL: Baelfiin

ORIGINAL: MechFO

ORIGINAL: Helpless

What is situation with supply and air support? Lack of each can have impact on availability.

Lack of both as it turns out.

The problem is that all Italien air bases after surrender switch to Luftwaffe ones with

Max TOE 1
Supply Priority 0

This means that for the turn after the Italian surrender, all air units are effectively grounded. This might be WAD, but if one doesn't notice it immediately the air units are crippled for several turns. It is also annoying to have to manually change all the bases back to Auto TOE. It would be nice if the switch over defaults to Auto and Supply priority 2-3.

is that a 1.0 game or after patch?

Both, the original game was in 1.0 but I redid in 1.07 and the same happens.

[Baelfiin]

To try to understand this:

What you are saying is that :
1-- you are playing 1.07
2-- as germany you fly some planes into Italian airbases.
3-- you change those airbase hq's and toe's to German.
4-- Italy surrenders
5-- logistics phase runs.
6-- All of those airbases that you had set one way get changed over to different air hq's and jacked up toe

Does that describe what is happening?

[carlkay58]

My problems with 2nd RAF Tactical AF and the 9th USAAF were that they were targeting airfields with no aircraft. So no targets of worth and no flying. My contention is that my Recon missions (which would discover that there were no aircraft to hit) should at least be flying - especially with FOW on. Its in Pavel's court now as to if that changes.

[MechFO]

ORIGINAL: Baelfiin

To try to understand this:

What you are saying is that :
1-- you are playing 1.07
2-- as germany you fly some planes into Italian airbases.
3-- you change those airbase hq's and toe's to German.
4-- Italy surrenders
5-- logistics phase runs.
6-- All of those airbases that you had set one way get changed over to different air hq's and jacked up toe

Does that describe what is happening?

No.

I'm talking about Italian (yellow) airbases transforming into LW ones after the Italian surrender event with bad default settings.

[Baelfiin]

So your Luftwaffe is flying from Italian airbases the whole time?

you never change them to Luftwaffe hq?