Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition
ORIGINAL: Shark7
Odd that they aren't pulling fuel from the merchant ships. They should be.
The only difference I see between your CS convoy and one of mine is that you have yours set to cruise speed, while mine are set to mission speed. That *could* be causing the issue...in not letting the convoy stop as needed to draw bunker fuel for the escorts.
See mine below:
ORIGINAL: GetAssista
Never had such problems with my long haul Japanese CS convoys. Walks and talks like a bug to me. Does "replenish at sea" button top off those escorts?
Aside from possible bugs, there is only one thing I can think of (I have not recently reviewed the threads Alfred cited). At sea fueling requires that the ship(s) providing fuel be above some threshold of endurance versus endurance-required. I don't know what that threshold is, but it is not overly restrictive although it is present.ORIGINAL: Alfred
There might be a bug in play here but not necessarily so. Simply insufficient info to date to be very definitive.
A few observations for Lokasenna to take into account as he tracks the behaviour.
1. The auto refuelling routines for CS controlled task forces is different from all other types of human controlled. The differences have not been spelled out by the devs which is partly why this is a candidate for a potential bug. Most likely causation area involves the auto below 70% underway top off from bunkers of human controlled task forces not occurring for CS controlled task forces.
In my PBM they do refuel correctly.
2. There were early AE refuelling issues with CS controlled task forces which are very large/operating to or from smallish ports. Basically if a CS task force was too large to dock or the port manager had run out of operations points before it handled the CS, no refuelling from the port was occurring. This apparently was addressed in patch 1/2 but maybe something fell through the cracks. Quite possible as not that many seem to use CS and certainly not many post about their CS experience late in the war.
3. Waypoints could be part of the problem.
Also in my PBM they refuel at sea just fine even with waypoints set a) at sea, or b) at ports along the way.
Don Bowen's comment's in this thread provide some context.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2503247&mpage=1&key=refueling�
Alfred
ORIGINAL: witpqs
Aside from possible bugs, there is only one thing I can think of (I have not recently reviewed the threads Alfred cited). At sea fueling requires that the ship(s) providing fuel be above some threshold of endurance versus endurance-required. I don't know what that threshold is, but it is not overly restrictive although it is present.ORIGINAL: Alfred
There might be a bug in play here but not necessarily so. Simply insufficient info to date to be very definitive.
A few observations for Lokasenna to take into account as he tracks the behaviour.
1. The auto refuelling routines for CS controlled task forces is different from all other types of human controlled. The differences have not been spelled out by the devs which is partly why this is a candidate for a potential bug. Most likely causation area involves the auto below 70% underway top off from bunkers of human controlled task forces not occurring for CS controlled task forces.
In my PBM they do refuel correctly.
2. There were early AE refuelling issues with CS controlled task forces which are very large/operating to or from smallish ports. Basically if a CS task force was too large to dock or the port manager had run out of operations points before it handled the CS, no refuelling from the port was occurring. This apparently was addressed in patch 1/2 but maybe something fell through the cracks. Quite possible as not that many seem to use CS and certainly not many post about their CS experience late in the war.
3. Waypoints could be part of the problem.
Also in my PBM they refuel at sea just fine even with waypoints set a) at sea, or b) at ports along the way.
Don Bowen's comment's in this thread provide some context.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2503247&mpage=1&key=refueling�
Alfred
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Been using CS convoys religiously with the Allies over multiple games and have never seen this problem occur.
ORIGINAL: Chris H
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Been using CS convoys religiously with the Allies over multiple games and have never seen this problem occur.
I have but only with tankers and sometimes with small xAK. In his pick the top one has only TKs, the second has one TK and some small xAK but the last one looks OK.
ORIGINAL: Shark7
If it does turn out to be the waypoints causing the problem, let us know. I'd like to avoid these problems in my games, as the IJN has enough issues to deal with...especially later on. [;)]
