Light bombers and supply transport

[Yaab]

Light bombers' load capacity varies form 220 (Dutch Falcon) to 1000+ (IL-2, NZ Vincent). Just like level bombers, the light bombers can fly Supply Transport missions. Every type of light bomber will carry 1 supply point per plane. The things is, all of them have bombs fitted on external racks (EXT and C position) and have no bomb bays. Does that mean they were not suitable for supply tranpsort in real life? Did they have supply pods mounted on racks instead of bombs?

Thanks.

[Dili]

I think Vincent had some space otherwise no, they wouldn't do transport. Il-2 was an attack plane, i would call it more of a fighter bomber unable to fight other aircraft than a bomber. Some planes had supply pods but i doubt any of the listed had.

[Yaab]

Thanks. I wish Supply Transport mission was disabled for any bomber which does not have a bomb bay. Another house-rule in the making.

[rustysi]

I doubt I could find it, but I recall seeing some Hurricanes (? could've been Spits) flying from a CV into Malta with beer kegs strapped to their wings.[:D]

[Denniss]

The Il-2 has some data errors, it had an internal bomb bay to carry 4x 100kg bombs and could carry two more external (or 4-8 rockets) the rear firing MG in the Il-2m3 should be UBT (BS is the original version for synchronized forward mount).
Most Soviet planes need some love although they do not seem to be that important in WitP.

Plus if have to deliver supplies to a location with a landing strips I believe the aircraft mechanics find some ways to attach something to the external bomb racks.

[Dili]

Yeah but typically not a whole ton of supplies which i think is "1 supply point per plane".

[dr.hal]

Also some "light bombers" were really passenger planes modified to do the job (the Hudson comes to mind), so those planes could certainly carry cargo or passengers.

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: Dili

Yeah but typically not a whole ton of supplies which i think is "1 supply point per plane".

In AE, 1 supply point = 1 supply point.

It does not equal 1 ton of supplies.

Yes I know that many refer to supply tons, as equally many refer to 1 fuel point as representing 1 ton of fuel, but they are not correct.

It is supply or fuel points which under certain circumstances may be interchangeable with tons but in other circumstances are not interchangeable with tons.

Alfred

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: Dili

Yeah but typically not a whole ton of supplies which i think is "1 supply point per plane".

In AE, 1 supply point = 1 supply point.

It does not equal 1 ton of supplies.

Yes I know that many refer to supply tons, as equally many refer to 1 fuel point as representing 1 ton of fuel, but they are not correct.

It is supply or fuel points which under certain circumstances may be interchangeable with tons but in other circumstances are not interchangeable with tons.

Alfred

The surprise is not what a supply point represents in real world terms but that a CW-22 (220 load), Lysander or Wapiti (500 load) could carry the same supply equivalent as a much larger two engined dedicated transport with internal storage like the DC-2 or Lockheed Lodestar (2000 load).

Although their ranges are short, this seems like a good deal in terms of supply used vs supply moved in areas like China.

[Revthought]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

I doubt I could find it, but I recall seeing some Hurricanes (? could've been Spits) flying from a CV into Malta with beer kegs strapped to their wings.[:D]

el bombers, the light bombers can fly Supply Transport missions. Every type of light bomber will carry 1 supply point per plane. The things is, all of them have bombs fitted on external racks (EXT and C position) and have no bomb bays. D

Not just to Malta, they used them to fly beer into France after D-Day as well.

[rustysi]

Not just to Malta, they used them to fly beer into France after D-Day as well.

Well gotta keep the troops happy.[:)]

[Trugrit]

FYI

Sometimes, in this game, supply and fuel can be measured in Tonnes or metric tons.
Tonne = 1,000 kilograms, or 2,204.6 English pounds.

I have never seen anywhere in the manual or a dev post on the forum where it was
Definitively measured in U.S. short tons, which is 2,000 pounds per ton.

Per Andy Mac in post 674:
fb.asp?m=1818741

Per Alfred in post 281:
fb.asp?m=2674332

Per those posts it looks like bunker fuel and supply as ship’s cargo and maybe base
Supply can be measured in tonnes if you want.

What else is there?
Fuel as ship’s cargo and supplies as air cargo may not be measured in Tonnes,
but It should be close enough for government work.

LCU supply in the field? No clues given that I can find except what Andy said in
The above post.

[Dili]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: Dili

Yeah but typically not a whole ton of supplies which i think is "1 supply point per plane".

In AE, 1 supply point = 1 supply point.

It does not equal 1 ton of supplies.

Yes I know that many refer to supply tons, as equally many refer to 1 fuel point as representing 1 ton of fuel, but they are not correct.

It is supply or fuel points which under certain circumstances may be interchangeable with tons but in other circumstances are not interchangeable with tons.

Alfred

Thanks, despite not being very elucidative.[:)]

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: Trugrit


FYI

Sometimes, in this game, supply and fuel can be measured in Tonnes or metric tons.
Tonne = 1,000 kilograms, or 2,204.6 English pounds.

I have never seen anywhere in the manual or a dev post on the forum where it was
Definitively measured in U.S. short tons, which is 2,000 pounds per ton.

Per Andy Mac in post 674:
fb.asp?m=1818741

Per Alfred in post 281:
fb.asp?m=2674332

Per those posts it looks like bunker fuel and supply as ship’s cargo and maybe base
Supply can be measured in tonnes if you want.

What else is there?
Fuel as ship’s cargo and supplies as air cargo may not be measured in Tonnes,
but It should be close enough for government work.

LCU supply in the field? No clues given that I can find except what Andy said in
The above post.

Just when you thought it was safe to walk outside. Look in particular at post #362 ( there are other similar follow up posts) in this thread from Don Bowen where the use of the 2000lb US short tons term is used.

tm.asp?m=1910523&mpage=13&key=small%2Ccraft#2075792

Which is why the safe and always correct term to use is supply points or fuel points. Yes there are some situations where "tonnes" is correct (for example the reference dug up by Trugrit where I referred to "tonnes" but note how I used "points" as the primary description) but also other occasions when it is translated to "tons" and still other occasions when it is neither "tonnes" or "tons".

Of course for the average player who is not fixated on having the absolutely exact terminology no great harm results from being inexact. As long as someone else does not become anal and attempts to prove something is wrong because it could not be "tonnes". When that situation arises it is the anal payer who is wearing the egg on their face. So best to always refer to "points".

Alfred

[geofflambert]

Short points or long points? [:'(]

[Yaab]

Well, you learn something new everyday

Wirraway's wing-mounted supply containers!

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthre ... -container


A Wirraway dropping supplies

[LastBreath]

smart !

[Macclan5]

ORIGINAL: Revthought

ORIGINAL: rustysi

I doubt I could find it, but I recall seeing some Hurricanes (? could've been Spits) flying from a CV into Malta with beer kegs strapped to their wings.[:D]

el bombers, the light bombers can fly Supply Transport missions. Every type of light bomber will carry 1 supply point per plane. The things is, all of them have bombs fitted on external racks (EXT and C position) and have no bomb bays. D

Not just to Malta, they used them to fly beer into France after D-Day as well.

Since coding would be problematic ... and any change to satisfy everyone...

I hereby petition Matrix Games to provide a scale model of a Spitfire or Wildcat with Beer Kegs strapped to the wings to every registered owner of the game [8D]

Better still skip the scale model; send the beer by way of Spitfire / Wildcat or any working Light Bomber.

Send mine FOB Toronto.

[:D]

[LeeChard]

I wonder if they flew at different altitudes for different troops.
High flying for the Americans and Canadians ice cold beer and down on
the deck for the British room temp?

[Yaab]

Don't know about the altitudes, but Wirraways seemed to be more accurate in their drops than standard transport aircraft.