I must get this game!

Mad Cow · Post by **Mad Cow** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 10:47 am

It sounds great!

too much school and not enough money = little game time and few games.

pasternakski · Post by **pasternakski** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 11:01 am

Originally posted by Mad Cow
It sounds great!

too much school and not enough money = little game time and few games.

Look out! Sounds like you're headed for "too much game time, little school, and still not enough money."

But at least you'll have the game ... the rest will pale into insignificance.

Drex · Post by **Drex** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 11:20 am

Now he knows the meaning of the words: "he's got game!"

Mad Cow · Post by **Mad Cow** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 11:32 am

but I also really want to try Russo-german War...

and Hearts of Iron, and Medieval Total War...

Plus still have time for CMBB and Madden 2003...

ARGH!

Also have a 15 month old son, a wife and step daughter AND all that school!

Where there is a will, there is a way...

CapAndGown · Post by **CapAndGown** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 1:13 pm

I would definitely pass on Russo-German War. If you are looking for a great eastern front game, see if you can get a copy of The Operational Art of War: A Century of Warfare, and then download Dan McBride's Drang Nach Osten scenario at warfarehq. Best value for your money by far. You might also skip HOI if you can only afford UV or HOI. UV really is the absolutely best wargame available for teaching the true meaning of things like the value of intelligence, planning, and defending against your enemy's capabilities and not what you think his intentions are.

Oleg Mastruko · Post by **Oleg Mastruko** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:51 pm

Originally posted by cap_and_gown
I would definitely pass on Russo-German War. If you are looking for a great eastern front game, see if you can get a copy of The Operational Art of War: A Century of Warfare, and then download Dan McBride's Drang Nach Osten scenario at warfarehq. Best value for your money by far. You might also skip HOI if you can only afford UV or HOI. UV really is the absolutely best wargame available for teaching the true meaning of things like the value of intelligence, planning, and defending against your enemy's capabilities and not what you think his intentions are.

I agree with what is said 100%.

You might also want to skip on the Medieval

It's a very good game, but I found it to be a step back enjoyment-wise, compared to its predecessor - Shogun: Total War. If you played Shogun - beware, Medieval might not be all you expect it to be.

If you haven't played Shogun - get Shogun (and UV

) instead, it should be real cheap by now (buy Warlords edition of the game - with additional scenarios and campaigns).

O.

crsutton · Post by **crsutton** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 7:32 pm

I agree with with the assessment of Medieval. It was fun and pretty for a while but got sort of stale fast. UV is less visually exciting but a much better game and after six months, there is still much to learn.

Mad Cow · Post by **Mad Cow** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:41 pm

Originally posted by cap_and_gown
I would definitely pass on Russo-German War. If you are looking for a great eastern front game, see if you can get a copy of The Operational Art of War: A Century of Warfare, and then download Dan McBride's Drang Nach Osten scenario at warfarehq. Best value for your money by far. You might also skip HOI if you can only afford UV or HOI. UV really is the absolutely best wargame available for teaching the true meaning of things like the value of intelligence, planning, and defending against your enemy's capabilities and not what you think his intentions are.

I have had ACOW for some time now. I never did download Drag Nacht Osten, but I saw the map for that sucker. HUGE!

But can't that only be played PBEM? Hard to imagine the PO handling all those units and all that space.

But, RGW is on the far back burner.

I have been fascinated with UV since before its release, and one of my favorite CMBB/CMBO PBEM opponents has it also. So I think I will get it, just a matter of when...

Thanks for the advice, though...

Mad Cow · Post by **Mad Cow** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:43 pm

Originally posted by Oleg Mastruko
I agree with what is said 100%.

You might also want to skip on the Medieval It's a very good game, but I found it to be a step back enjoyment-wise, compared to its predecessor - Shogun: Total War. If you played Shogun - beware, Medieval might not be all you expect it to be.

If you haven't played Shogun - get Shogun (and UV ) instead, it should be real cheap by now (buy Warlords edition of the game - with additional scenarios and campaigns).

O.

I have Shogun and I played it to death. **** fine game.

I am dissappointed to hear that Medieval is not as good...

Hopefully they fix that with the Roman version they are producing...

Oleg Mastruko · Post by **Oleg Mastruko** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:47 pm

Originally posted by Mad Cow
I have Shogun and I played it to death. **** fine game.

I am dissappointed to hear that Medieval is not as good...

Medieval is good, but some things throw the game a bit out of balance IMO.

For instance - ENDLESS rebellions you can't have any control over.

Ever resurecting factions - da*n irritating!

Too many units in the game. I never really got a grip on them, there's just too many types of units to learn how to use them properly.

Shogun was smaller, and with better balance IMO.

O.

XPav · Post by **XPav** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 11:34 pm

I agree with Oleg 100% on the Medieval: Total War comments. I got it, played one game until I was destroyed by rebellions, and haven't really had the urge to play it since. I was rather disappointed that the castle sieging was still lame. Seen the screen shots for Rome: Total War? They have scaling ladders?

Hearts Of Iron: I dunno, I got EU1 and it suffered the same fate as M:TW. One playthrough and then this feeling of fatigue that made me not want to play it again. I suspect HoI would do the same thing. I do prefer more focused, balanced games. (Like UV!)

I have had some great PBEM ACOW games. I've played Brian Topp's Bagration and Stalingrad scenarios, and found those to be very playable as the Soviets despite the large number of units. The trick -- move units around as complete armies. Color coding helps.

Mad Cow · Post by **Mad Cow** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 12:40 am

Originally posted by XPav
I agree with Oleg 100% on the Medieval: Total War comments. I got it, played one game until I was destroyed by rebellions, and haven't really had the urge to play it since. I was rather disappointed that the castle sieging was still lame. Seen the screen shots for Rome: Total War? They have scaling ladders?

Hearts Of Iron: I dunno, I got EU1 and it suffered the same fate as M:TW. One playthrough and then this feeling of fatigue that made me not want to play it again. I suspect HoI would do the same thing. I do prefer more focused, balanced games. (Like UV!)

I have had some great PBEM ACOW games. I've played Brian Topp's Bagration and Stalingrad scenarios, and found those to be very playable as the Soviets despite the large number of units. The trick -- move units around as complete armies. Color coding helps.

Thanks for the opinions.

It has been a while since I played ACOW. I don't think it is currently on my hard drive, though. Needed the space for other things than playing the game.

However, I have been thinking of loading it up again. Must find the disk, though...

Anyways, I think I will get UV sometime in the near future. Maybe I will use some of my income tax return or student loan on it!

:p

Matt Erickson · Post by **Matt Erickson** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 10:28 am

Originally posted by cap_and_gown
I would definitely pass on Russo-German War. If you are looking for a great eastern front game, see if you can get a copy of The Operational Art of War: A Century of Warfare, and then download Dan McBride's Drang Nach Osten scenario at warfarehq. Best value for your money by far. You might also skip HOI if you can only afford UV or HOI. UV really is the absolutely best wargame available for teaching the true meaning of things like the value of intelligence, planning, and defending against your enemy's capabilities and not what you think his intentions are.

Anyone tried 'kursk' yet by hpssims?

entemedor · Post by **entemedor** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 2:59 pm

If you thought UV had some bugs at the start, you MUST play Hearts of Iron if you want to know what really is a bug.

I bought the game, installed, played the first tutorial (first Crash to Desktop), tried to play the first campaign... After six crashes in one day my save files did not load either.
The second day I went to their webpage, and understood what was happening. They had two large patches correcting some TWO HUNDRED bugs, including several CTD. After downloading the patches, I re-started my campaign... Half an hour later I had Crashed to Desktop again, and my Save File was corrupted. I went back to the Webpage, entered forums, and discovered it was MY fault. Why? When assigning naval reinforcements, instead of clicking on a harbour, I clicked on a coastal region close-by, which had no harbour... This one click is enough to CTD and lose your save file, after two massive updates.
I have struggled some more days, but I'm really tired of Hearts. People keeps telling me that's a good game once you have tamed the interface, but I have had enough of it. When I power-up my PC, I look at Hearts icon, and then click on the UV icon. I want some good time, even if my land-based bombers don't attack enemy carriers; I don't want to be holding my breath every time I try a new fuction or click on a new hex, fearing to CTD at any second. Perhaps in hald a year I will return to Heart page, see if they have more patches and give it another try.
But I feel really cheated. The game I bought (more expensive than UV)was absolutely unplayable out of the box, and should have been never rushed out like this. Sorry for the people who is trying to address the issue, but they're too late for me.

Entemedor

Mad Cow · Post by **Mad Cow** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 12:42 am

Originally posted by entemedor
If you thought UV had some bugs at the start, you MUST play Hearts of Iron if you want to know what really is a bug.

I bought the game, installed, played the first tutorial (first Crash to Desktop), tried to play the first campaign... After six crashes in one day my save files did not load either.
The second day I went to their webpage, and understood what was happening. They had two large patches correcting some TWO HUNDRED bugs, including several CTD. After downloading the patches, I re-started my campaign... Half an hour later I had Crashed to Desktop again, and my Save File was corrupted. I went back to the Webpage, entered forums, and discovered it was MY fault. Why? When assigning naval reinforcements, instead of clicking on a harbour, I clicked on a coastal region close-by, which had no harbour... This one click is enough to CTD and lose your save file, after two massive updates.
I have struggled some more days, but I'm really tired of Hearts. People keeps telling me that's a good game once you have tamed the interface, but I have had enough of it. When I power-up my PC, I look at Hearts icon, and then click on the UV icon. I want some good time, even if my land-based bombers don't attack enemy carriers; I don't want to be holding my breath every time I try a new fuction or click on a new hex, fearing to CTD at any second. Perhaps in hald a year I will return to Heart page, see if they have more patches and give it another try.
But I feel really cheated. The game I bought (more expensive than UV)was absolutely unplayable out of the box, and should have been never rushed out like this. Sorry for the people who is trying to address the issue, but they're too late for me.

Entemedor

Thats pretty bad. The idea of Hearts is a good one. But I keep hearing that Paradox has screwed it up!

I loved EU. Maybe I should just buy EU2 (which I hear is very good) in a bargain bin or something and pick up UV...

SoulBlazer · Post by **SoulBlazer** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 1:00 am

EU 2 is AWSOME. You MUST have that game. I STILL play it all the time (and even more then I do for UV

) Get it anyway you can and kiss good bye to what free time you have!

The game is allready quite stable and wonderfull, but I keep hearing one last patch is in the works to make a few small gameplay issues. No telling if it will ever see the light of day, though.

Thurmonator · Post by **Thurmonator** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 2:14 am

I bought HOI about 2 weeks before I bought UV. I played it for two weeks straight, whereupon as Germany, I took over the entire world, for the 1936-1948 campaign. I had a blast. No crashes, but some annoying little bugs. Overall, i think it is a great wargame. Very addictive. Lets just say its the closest anyone has gotten to this level of game dealing with WW2 where you control research and diplomacy as well as warfare, and it's multiplayer too.

When I bought UV, well, of course, I haven't been back to HOI, except at work because it doesn't require the CD to be in the drive.

It has had three BIG patches since I bought it, and it is now at version 1.03. It is much better than it was out of the box. Thats not any excuse, but it is what it is, a very supported game.

Also, there have been some very good mods that make the game even better. One is Bolted HOI.

Anyway, back to UV...

Thurm

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