House rules

[schattensand2]

Never played aginst a human, but I do play this game occasionally since release.
Posted as schattensand years ago, so don't be mislead by the fact that I do have low post numbers.

What about this house rules?

No HQ build ups at all. Unhistorically.
No German panzer units operating from Romanian soil 1941. Unhistorically.
No German FDB unit operating fron Romanian soil 1941. Unhistorically

No paratroup action at all, did not work historically.
No seaborne action at all, did not happen historically, if at least a fort is in harbour.

No Sowjet troup building on turns where Sowjets do get reinforcements, means that first Sow troup building can happen at turn 33.
No building more than 4 divisional fighting unit of any sort, HQ building one per turn.
I have no idea about sow air restriction, but as far I can see no more than 2 attacks per hex are possible anyway now.
No sow defence or offence bonuses.

Sure I forgot some more points I had in my mind.
This way you will neither see German Panzers cutting off Leningrad at turn 5, what would be unhistorical.
This way you will nor see 6,5 Mio Sow troups at the end of 1941, what would be unhistorical either.
This way you would not see Germans at Rostow to trigger HQA and HQB in 1941. Not sure bout this.

Please comment!

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: schattensand2
This way you will nor see 6,5 Mio Sow troups at the end of 1941, what would be unhistorical either.


Please comment!

You're right, but not in the way you think.

By the eve of the invasion, the Soviets possessed a mobilization base of 14,000,000.

By the end of June, 5.3 million reservists were called up.

In July 1941, 13 new armies appeared with another 14 in August.

On June 22, 5,373,000 were in the Red Army.

By August 31, despite losses, it had grown to 6,889,000.

By Dec 31, it reached an estimated 8,000,000.

So what is the historical justification for your not letting the Soviets building units when they get reinforcements, what exactly filled out those armies?

[schattensand2]

I've been searching Inet for your numbers but do not find any of them. Much about exorbitant historical losses of 3,5 Mia/Kia in 1941 alone. Please where do you get your numbers from?

[EwaldvonKleist]

Red Army OOB is a science for itself...
156432 ways to count numbers. Some only include combat units, some seeme to include everyone, also reserves, recruits, railway troops etc.

[Northern Star]

If you want to survive as German forget all the house rules except no paratroops and no seaborne action... An experienced Soviet player can survive the extended Lvov pocket and the 5406 destroyed planes at the beginning in my opinion.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: schattensand2

I've been searching Inet for your numbers but do not find any of them. Much about exorbitant historical losses of 3,5 Mia/Kia in 1941 alone. Please where do you get your numbers from?

You didn't search enough. And I use books myself.

At the onset of Operation Barbarossa on June 22, 1941, the Red Army stood at a strength of roughly 5.5 million men, of whom approximately 3.3 million were concentrated in the Western districts - that is, who were in any position to react to the Axis invasion.1 This initial number alone is formidable, but belies the unfathomable strategic depth of the USSR at the point of the German invasion. The 1938 Universal Military Service Law ensured that the military infrastructure existed for the rapid mobilisation of a vast portion of the USSR's population, creating an effective manpower pool of some fourteen million reservists as well as the training schools and marshalling capabilities to call on them in short order. With the full mobilisation of the Red Army beginning June 22, 1941 following the Axis invasion, absolutely phenomenal efforts began for the organising, equipping and deployment of new forces. By the time the first phase of mobilisation was complete on July 1, 1941, the Red Army's nominal strength had increased from 5.5 million troops to 9.5 million troops. Naturally, the organisation, equipment and deployment of such a colossal force proved an extremely chaotic process, and the vast majority of the levied forces were of low quality and still in the Soviet interior, far from the front-line opposition to the Axis advance. Nonetheless, this was only the beginning of the Soviet mobilisation process. To quote Stahel:
"In July the Red Army added thirteen new field armies to its order of battle and fourteen more in August. In September there was one new army, in October four and in November and December eight, making a total of forty new Soviet armies in just six months."


August 11, 1941, the OKH Chief of Staff, General Franz Halder, observed
"At the outset of the war, we reckoned on about 200 enemy divisions. Now we have already counted 360... if we smash a dozen of them, the Russians simply put up another dozen."

[heliodorus04]

If you need that many house rules you are better off playing the AI. You have unreasonable expectations of what your opponent should be permitted to do. I'm a guy who only plays AI for this reason

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist

Red Army OOB is a science for itself...
156432 ways to count numbers. Some only include combat units, some seeme to include everyone, also reserves, recruits, railway troops etc.

As is the Heer OOB.

[EwaldvonKleist]

Yes, Wehrmacht OOB is difficult too but from have the impression that the Germans kept better statistics, especially during the first 6 month. Subjective of course, can't give sources for this assumption.

[Farfarer61]

The amphib and air drop restrictions yes. don't care about the remainder.

[Icier]

suggest you post this in Opponents Wanted....as you are fairly new, read the various post, you see that there is a "battle royal" going on @ the moment...as the German armed forces strength is fairly
well documented...but the Russian...well![&:] [&:]