Derping with ye olde free Pacific War and...

[Timotheus]

And I have a few questions on WITPAE.

1) In Pacific War, once enemy ground captures a land base with air units, all my air units are lost. Turns are like a week if I recall, so I was a bit MIFFED - what, they couldn't emergency relocate to closest friendly airbase...

Question is: is it the same in WITPAE - i.e. enemy ground units overrun air units after your ground units lose combat and retreat?

2) I have no idea how to load fighter (or any other) airplanes onto transport ships in PacWar. Can you transport airplanes in transport ships and unload them? HOW do you transport short range fighters from west coast USA to combat zone deep in the Pacific? They can't just fly there - no range (unlike bombers).

[geofflambert]

Sometimes some get away. Regardless, it is still your fault. As to your second inquiry, it is not difficult to load a squadron of whatever on an xAK. Have you tried? You have to dock at the loading port and the unloading port. It's not difficult.

[btd64]

1. Yes.
2. The last time I played PacWar I was a lot younger and my memory worked, so I don't remember. I believe so....GP

[Leandros]

ORIGINAL: Timotheus

And I have a few questions on WITPAE.

2) I have no idea how to load fighter (or any other) airplanes onto transport ships in PacWar. Can you transport airplanes in transport ships and unload them? HOW do you transport short range fighters from west coast USA to combat zone deep in the Pacific? They can't just fly there - no range (unlike bombers).

Only "problem" is that they can be assembled (if they are dismounted for transport) so easily on any airfield they
arrive in. I suppose this is done by the unit's mechanics, following the squadron, if no support already exists on the
field. They are all very good.

Fighters can also be loaded on carriers and flown off near their destination. This was done many times during the
war.

Fred

[oaltinyay]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Sometimes some get away. Regardless, it is still your fault. As to your second inquiry, it is not difficult to load a squadron of whatever on an xAK. Have you tried? You have to dock at the loading port and the unloading port. It's not difficult.

Never seen anyone escape from a captured base ?

As a real life example , a Russian tank brigade overran a German airfield a bit after Stalingrad was surrounded, Germans were 'surprised' but managed to send away 60% of the Ju52s on the (Morozovks?)field ( something like 50 out of 180 burned on the field remained in my mind )

But in this game, I lose even the servicable planes when enemy captures a city with the field on it.

[BBfanboy]

No one has said it clearly yet - if you are thinking of APs or xAPs when you say "transport ships", don't use those for aircraft transport. There are four ways to ship aircraft:

1. There are dedicated aircraft transports called AKVs. Create an Air Transport type TF with them, dock them and load the aircraft. You can also fill up with supply if you wish, but bear in mind this means the ship will be sitting at the destination longer, offloading. This is dangerous if your base is close to the enemy. Also keep in mind that your AKV must be able to dock at the target port. Check the AKV tonnage versus the port capacity table in the manual.

The advantage of using AKVs is that the aircraft are fully assembled so when you offload them the base just adds fuel and they are good to go.

2. Use an xAK type vessel in an Air Transport TF. Same method as an AKV except the aircraft is partially disassembled for shipping and typically takes one day to be made serviceable after off-load.

3. Use any xAK or xAKL in a Transport TF, and the aircraft are disassembled and crated. It takes three days to put them back together at destination.

4. Land based aircraft CAN be loaded on a docked CV or CVE (if there is space enough) and transported within flyoff range of your target base or any intermediate base once they fly off they cannot return to the carriers because they lack landing hooks and training. Keep in mind that once your carrier is over 110% of capacity flight operations are affected and over about 115% (not sure of the figure) operations cease until the guest squadrons fly off.

Historically CVE Long Island was used in the Air Transport role, and you get several other CVEs that are intended that way. You can change them if you wish by putting on Navy/Marine Corps bombers or fighters.

[geofflambert]

I actually didn't know about that distinction between using an xAK in an air transport TF vs. a transport TF. Thanks, BBfanboy. Nonetheless, as a card carrying member of the ILO I recommend crating those mothers up. We need the work.

[BillBrown]

He is talking about PacWar - a very old DOS based game. It has been years since I played it, but the mechanics are very different.

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: BillBrown

He is talking about PacWar - a very old DOS based game. It has been years since I played it, but the mechanics are very different.

They are? What, no tattoos? They do at least use engine grease to coif their hair, don't they?

edit: I meant axle grease. Now a key question is how many perch a cigarette above one ear, and how many perch one atop both ears?

[Leandros]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I actually didn't know about that distinction between using an xAK in an air transport TF vs. a transport TF. Thanks, BBfanboy. Nonetheless, as a card carrying member of the ILO I recommend crating those mothers up. We need the work.

Sorry to inform you that the crating/un-crating has to be done by military personell. Actually, you'll be much
better off with semi-disassembled or complete planes. Facilitates the establishing of the normal number of bumps
and damages on the goods. Keeping the tradition up and all that. Takes longer time, too, you know - as it should.

Fred

[geofflambert]

I'm not actually a card carrying member of the ILO and cannot speak for them (they don't allow reptiles amongst their membership). I'm just sorry to have to inform you that the word personnel has two ns and one l. You had to override the spellcheck on the forum to post that. What is your excuse?

[geofflambert]

You weren't referring to the purse-o-Nell were you? I swear I didn't take it. That must've been some other green scaly creature that did that. I've been accused of many things, but larceny is not one of them.

[geofflambert]

I wanted to illustrate my innocence emphatically by posting a link to some rendition of Creedence Clearwater Revival's "Fortunate Son" where most of the lyrics are "it ain't me" but most of the available youtube renditions have a political ad pop-up. I can sing when I go vote in November, "it ain't him".

[Leandros]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I'm not actually a card carrying member of the ILO and cannot speak for them (they don't allow reptiles amongst their membership). I'm just sorry to have to inform you that the word personnel has two ns and one l. You had to override the spellcheck on the forum to post that. What is your excuse?

Nothing to be ashamed - having a member - I mean bring a member, being a member, I mean, having a membership.
That said, no accuse, excuse.

Ahh, CCR, always play them when I cruise in my '73 Mark IV convertible, I mean cabriolet.

Fred