Red Storm Rising Campaign [Scenario 4 Added For Testing]

[angster]

I did a quick search on the forum and couldn't find any Red Storm rising campaigns. The closest is Northern Inferno. I'm thinking about making a quick series with both NATO and Warsaw Pact factions. Anyone interested?

Current Scenarios Completed
1.) Operation Dreamland
2.) Polar Glory
3.) Sinking Kirov

Next Scenario In Progress
1.) Dance of the Vampires

Updated 8/24/2017
1.) Added attachment, contains first scenario

Updated 8/25/2017
1.) Small changes to scoring and briefing

Updated 9/02/2017
1.) New Scenario - Polar Glory! - Added both scenarios to attachment

Updated 9/21/2017
1.) New Scenario - Sinking Kirov - Added all scenarios to attachment

Updated 10/07/2017
1.) Updated a few scenarios, fixed some bugs
2.) Scenario 4 will be out next week

Updated 10/20/2017
1.) Small Scenario Changes
2.) New Scenario - Dance of the Vampires - Added all scenarios to attachment

[Dysta]

Gunner98's Northern Fury (NF) scenario series is the closest thing you might looking for.

[Primarchx]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

Gunner98's Northern Fury (NF) scenario series is the closest thing you might looking for.

What he said.

[Rory Noonan]

If you're proposing a WW3 in the 80's series, I'd play the hell out of it.

[JPFisher55]

I would love to play such a campaign. However, would the scenarios covering the air battle over West Germany be too big to play at any reasonable speed?

[angster]

I'm thinking about using only platforms in the 70's and 80's. The cutoff range will be 1988, so no AMRAAMS. Regarding scenario size, I'm thinking about focusing on a sector of a large battle (Operation Dreamland for example).

[Excroat3]

There is at least 1 unreleased scenario depicting NATO's effort to destroy the bridges at Alfred, but I am unsure of any other scenarios set in this universe. I would definitely like to see scenarios based on Operation Dreamland, the opening strike on the Carrier group, and the F-111 strikes on Iceland.

[HalfLifeExpert]

I agree Red Storm Rising scenarios would be great, but I have one question:

For Operation Dreamland, would F-117As be used? or would you use the F-19A?

The book uses the F-19, simply because the F-117A was still unknown to the public at the time.

So would you go the route of using the real aircraft that would have been used, or use the exact one from the novel?

I think both could be interesting, perhaps a companion scenario that uses the aircraft not used in the main scenario.

[Primarchx]

ORIGINAL: HalfLifeExpert

I agree Red Storm Rising scenarios would be great, but I have one question:

For Operation Dreamland, would F-117As be used? or would you use the F-19A?

The book uses the F-19, simply because the F-117A was still unknown to the public at the time.

So would you go the route of using the real aircraft that would have been used, or use the exact one from the novel?

I think both could be interesting, perhaps a companion scenario that uses the aircraft not used in the main scenario.

I wouldn't be RSR without the Frisbee.

[1nutworld]

ORIGINAL: Primarchx

ORIGINAL: HalfLifeExpert

I agree Red Storm Rising scenarios would be great, but I have one question:

For Operation Dreamland, would F-117As be used? or would you use the F-19A?

The book uses the F-19, simply because the F-117A was still unknown to the public at the time.

So would you go the route of using the real aircraft that would have been used, or use the exact one from the novel?

I think both could be interesting, perhaps a companion scenario that uses the aircraft not used in the main scenario.

I wouldn't be RSR without the Frisbee.

Maybe I am wrong, but didn't what was thought to be the F-19A ultimately become the F-117A? Obviously it would lose the "frisbee" nickname, but it would still be the type of aircraft for all intents and purposes. I seem to recall reading something about the proposed F-19A was revealed as the F-117A.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[angster]

I will be basing aircraft types mentioned in the books. Some descriptions of Soviet aircraft are vague, so I'll just have to use some creatively license. The F-19A will definitely be in the scenarios. (How else will can I take out those Mainstays [:D])

[HalfLifeExpert]

From what I understand, there never was an F-19A (although I think some aviation enthusiasts think there was/may still be a secret aircraft with that designation).

There were suspicions and rumors in the late 70s and early 80s of the US developing some kind of 'stealth fighter'. This as we now know was true, but the Pentagon of course was not saying anything. The reason for the "F-19" designation given to this rumored aircraft is the apparently unusual numbering gap between the F-18 and the F-20 Tigershark. This could be insignificant, but it is also one of the things that lend to some belief in a real F-19.

Part of the whole "F-19" thing could have been disinformation to throw attention off of the real stealth fighter, the F-117A. The depictions of the F-19A, afterall, bear little resemblance to the F-117A:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-19#/med ... -white.jpg

https://hushkit.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/fic31.jpg (I think this one is supposed to be how it looked in RSR)

Although I must admit, the F-19 airframes look a lot cooler than the F-117.

ORIGINAL: angster

I will be basing aircraft types mentioned in the books. Some descriptions of Soviet aircraft are vague, so I'll just have to use some creatively license. The F-19A will definitely be in the scenarios. (How else will can I take out those Mainstays [:D])

Excellent, I'm not aware of any scenarios to use the F-19A

[stilesw]

Part of the whole "F-19" thing could have been disinformation to throw attention off of the real stealth fighter, the F-117A. The depictions of the F-19A, afterall, bear little resemblance to the F-117A:

Some basis in fact. I was on active duty at Nellis AFB 1984-1988. Just at the end of my tour there the USAF released to the public information about the "Stealth F-117". Until then it was a completely "black project" (knew of a guy who went to Leavenworth's Grey Bar hotel for talking about it too much). In 1988 MicroProse Software released its flight sim "F-19" based on the speculative information about the aircraft. When the F-117 was made public, MicroProse quickly upgraded its sim to reflect the new name and image of the aircraft.

Decision to build: 1978
IOC: 1983
64 built
59 production versions
Retired (sadly) 2008.

[HalfLifeExpert]

For one thing, I think a few F-117s are still flying as test beds for radar technology, and experimenting with ways to detect stealth aircraft. The rest are in storage, I think with the wings detached, presumably to prevent them being stolen [:D]

The fact that one was shot down in 1999, the wreckage captured by the Serbs, and much of it given to Russia and China, really meant that the secrets were no longer, well secret, and that, I think meant it was not going to be too long before the F-117 was retired. Plus it was first generation stealth technology, which may be somewhat obsolete now by the tech used in the F-22, F-35 and B-2 and upcoming B-21.


I am impressed that the aircraft was in service for years before being unveiled. I don't know how much the Soviets were able to find out about it before the unveiling, but if they didn't find out much, than had non nuclear war broken out between NATO and Warsaw Pact between I'd say early/mid 1984 and the Unveiling of the F-117 in 1988, the Pact would have been in for a nasty surprise and might have been one of the decisive factors of such a conflict.

[Jorm]

Hi Angster, sounds like fun.

have you had any thoughts on a list of possible scenarios for the campaign ?

[HalfLifeExpert]

Certainly the attack on the large carrier group (Nimitz, Saratoga, Foch) comes to mind.

Perhaps a simple scenario of the ASAT operations.

[stilesw]

Here's one of them. Affectionately know by Red Flag Staff as the "Stealth on a Stick"!

[Dysta]

Okay, speaking of the scenario proposal itself. Will it be a campaign, separated scenarios set, or a grand scenario (every assets and objectives happen in one scenario)?

[angster]

It will be similar to Chains of War campaign, which will be a set of predetermined scenario. If I can't figure out how to setup a campaign, it will be a list of separate scenarios.

Here's what I have in mind (subject to change)
1.) Operation Dreamland (NATO)
2.) Polar Glory (Soviet) - Invasion of Norway and Iceland
3.) Sinking Kirov (NATO) - Sink amphibious fleet off Norway (USS Chicago)
4.) Dance of the Vampires (Soviet) - Attack on Nimitz, Saratoga, Foch and amphibs
5.) Convoy Run (NATO) - USS Pharis, convoy stuff
6.) Nordic Hammer (Soviet) - Defend Keflavik
7.) Home Island (NATO) - Defend Britain Northern Radar Chain
8.) Battle for Alfeld (Soviet)
9.) From the Grave (NATO) - Former Nimitz Tomcats eliminates Soviet air force on Iceland
10.) Convoy Strike (Soviet) - Attack Atlantic convoys with mixture of bombers and subs
11.) Cripple the Bear (NATO) - USS Chicago, Boston, Providence attacks Soviet bomber airfields
12.) Sinking India (Soviet) - Attempt to sink HMS Illustrious
13.) Weather the Storm (NATO) - Recapture Iceland and survive Soviet bombers

[Tailhook]

Somewhere on my computer I have the beginnings of am Operation Doolittle scenario. I will look for it on your behald.