This game is BORKED

[PaxMondo]

This is a typical combat result for me. I need NEW die in this game.

Ground combat at 50,73 (near Alor Star)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2797 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 124

Defending force 1800 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 48

Japanese adjusted assault: 119

Allied adjusted defense: 9

Japanese assault odds: 13 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
143 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
41st Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
3rd SSVF Brigade


Clearly this game is BORKED!

[8D]

[GetAssista]

Oi, I remember Knavey, what a grand chap!

[Leandros]

Numbers isn't everything....[;)]..

Fred

[zuluhour]

Started playing as Japan this year, I have more problems with everything else. LMAO

[MakeeLearn]

terrain(+)

NO Surrendering... NO running... let's hide!

[Oberst_Klink]

Should have tried to Shock and Banzai!

Klink, Oberst

[geofflambert]

If you do surrender, surrender to the Kurds. They won't automatically execute you.

[PaxMondo]

Yes, Knavey tribute ... miss him ...

[Zorch]

This game is borked...let's give it up, completely and forever. Delete it from our hard drives. [:D]

[LargeSlowTarget]

I need new dice as well!

Sorry for hijacking, but the game IS BORKED INDEED, and I'm close to give it up (although probably not forever).

Cross-posting from my AAR:

Got the latest turn in my PBEM this morning. This time I'm close to rage-quit this USELESS TIME VAMPIRE OF A GAME.

Launched another deliberate at Chungking.

That city is surrounded and cut-off.

Yes, it's good defensive terrain with forts build-up to level 6.

However, it has been bombed and bombarded almost daily for many months by what I consider is a respectable concentration of air power and arty.

The defenders should be out of supplies, punch drunk and demoralized.

They have no tanks, they have no AT weapons to speak of, they have little arty, they are outnumbered.

Yet they have withstood one deliberate attacks a couple of weeks ago - with attacking forces tailored to match the stacking limit - with heavy losses to the attackers but at least a fort reduction to level 5 to show for.

This time I amassed forces totaling 260k hex troop level (limit is 160k).

There are lots tanks, there are lots of engineers, there are supplies.

All attacking units are 100% prepped, including four Corps HQs in situ and a Command HQ in range.

Results:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 195905 troops, 1869 guns, 1724 vehicles, Assault Value = 5788

Defending force 139877 troops, 509 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3663

Japanese adjusted assault: 2313

Allied adjusted defense: 9109

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
57848 casualties reported
Squads: 1197 destroyed, 2485 disabled
Non Combat: 356 destroyed, 862 disabled
Engineers: 490 destroyed, 206 disabled
Guns lost 422 (111 destroyed, 311 disabled)
Vehicles lost 553 (170 destroyed, 383 disabled)
Units destroyed 3

Allied ground losses:
2938 casualties reported
Squads: 21 destroyed, 96 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 63 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 30 (1 destroyed, 29 disabled)

Assaulting units:
110th Division
3rd Ind Engineer Regiment
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
37th Division
3rd Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Division
35th Division
22nd Ind Engineer Regiment
1st Cavalry Brigade
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
41st Division
30th Ind Engineer Regiment
24th Ind Engineer Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
38th Ind Engineer Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
15th Division
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
70th Division
21st Ind Engineer Regiment
26th Division
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
19th Tank Regiment
13th Division
8th Ind Engineer Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
116th Division
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
23rd Ind Engineer Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
1st Ind Engineer Regiment
25th Ind Engineer Regiment
7th Ind Engineer Regiment
69th Division
3rd Division
39th Ind Engineer Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
11th Army
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Army
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
4th Mortar Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind. Field Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
Mongol Garrison Army
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
12th Army
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

Defending units:
32nd Chinese Corps
28th Chinese Corps
1st New Chinese Corps
89th Chinese Corps
51st Chinese Corps
53rd Chinese Corps
27th Chinese Corps
96th Chinese Corps
26th Chinese Corps
97th Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
1st Chinese Corps
59th Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
34th Separate Brigade
Central Reserve
39th Group Army
49th AA Regiment
41st AA Regiment
16th Construction Regiment
4th Heavy Mortar Regiment
18th Artillery Regiment
China Command
12th Construction Regiment
CAF HQ
17th Group Army
31st Group Army
32nd Group Army
1st Chinese Base Force

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No combat modifiers for my leaders, experience, supplies, no HQ bonus although 5 HQs present.

Not even a f***ing forts reduction this time.

I'm torn between rage and despair.

Maybe I should just abandon the siege of Chungking, abandon China, abandon the SRA the the POA, and hole-up in the Home Islands and wait for the Allied bombers to flatten the economy.

Boy, am I depressed...


Btw, regarding the OP - if the engagement between 41st Regiment and the 3rd SSVF Brigade is a "Knavey" (i.e. a historical engagement with "borked" results), do have more details about that historical battle?

[zakblood]

nice picture btw[&o]

thought it was Christmas coming early for me[:D]

[Leandros]

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
I'm torn between rage and despair.

Maybe I should just abandon the siege of Chungking, abandon China, abandon the SRA the the POA, and hole-up in the Home Islands and wait for the Allied bombers to flatten the economy.

Boy, am I depressed...

It's only to show what good, well-planned defenses can do.....[;)]...I'm in the same bind now, having surrounded Tokyo for
months. Nothing bites. Bombing has helped little, they're just shot out of the sky.

Fred

[Trugrit]

Yep, this game is great.

In my 30 years of computer gaming I have only found one other game, a Vietnam game, that made me feel such deep emotion. The anger, waste, boredom, frustration, stupidity, confusion, heartbreaking loss and utter hopelessness of the real military I experienced and I would venture that 20th century warfare in general invokes in all of humanity.

This game may never be equaled by any other.

[btd64]

ORIGINAL: Trugrit


Yep, this game is great.

In my 30 years of computer gaming I have only found one other game, a Vietnam game, that made me feel such deep emotion. The anger, waste, boredom, frustration, stupidity, confusion, heartbreaking loss and utter hopelessness of the real military I experienced and I would venture that 20th century warfare in general invokes in all of humanity.

This game may never be equaled by any other.

A BIG PLUS ONE....GP

[Montbrun]

ORIGINAL: zakblood

nice picture btw[&o]

thought it was Christmas coming early for me[:D]

Thank God for Viagra...

[Yaab]

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

I need new dice as well!

Sorry for hijacking, but the game IS BORKED INDEED, and I'm close to give it up (although probably not forever).

Cross-posting from my AAR:

Got the latest turn in my PBEM this morning. This time I'm close to rage-quit this USELESS TIME VAMPIRE OF A GAME.

Launched another deliberate at Chungking.

That city is surrounded and cut-off.

Yes, it's good defensive terrain with forts build-up to level 6.

However, it has been bombed and bombarded almost daily for many months by what I consider is a respectable concentration of air power and arty.

The defenders should be out of supplies, punch drunk and demoralized.

They have no tanks, they have no AT weapons to speak of, they have little arty, they are outnumbered.

Yet they have withstood one deliberate attacks a couple of weeks ago - with attacking forces tailored to match the stacking limit - with heavy losses to the attackers but at least a fort reduction to level 5 to show for.

This time I amassed forces totaling 260k hex troop level (limit is 160k).

There are lots tanks, there are lots of engineers, there are supplies.

All attacking units are 100% prepped, including four Corps HQs in situ and a Command HQ in range.

Results:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 195905 troops, 1869 guns, 1724 vehicles, Assault Value = 5788

Defending force 139877 troops, 509 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3663

Japanese adjusted assault: 2313

Allied adjusted defense: 9109

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
57848 casualties reported
Squads: 1197 destroyed, 2485 disabled
Non Combat: 356 destroyed, 862 disabled
Engineers: 490 destroyed, 206 disabled
Guns lost 422 (111 destroyed, 311 disabled)
Vehicles lost 553 (170 destroyed, 383 disabled)
Units destroyed 3

Allied ground losses:
2938 casualties reported
Squads: 21 destroyed, 96 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 63 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 30 (1 destroyed, 29 disabled)

Assaulting units:
110th Division
3rd Ind Engineer Regiment
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
37th Division
3rd Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Division
35th Division
22nd Ind Engineer Regiment
1st Cavalry Brigade
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
41st Division
30th Ind Engineer Regiment
24th Ind Engineer Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
38th Ind Engineer Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
15th Division
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
70th Division
21st Ind Engineer Regiment
26th Division
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
19th Tank Regiment
13th Division
8th Ind Engineer Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
116th Division
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
23rd Ind Engineer Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
1st Ind Engineer Regiment
25th Ind Engineer Regiment
7th Ind Engineer Regiment
69th Division
3rd Division
39th Ind Engineer Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
11th Army
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Army
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
4th Mortar Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind. Field Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
Mongol Garrison Army
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
12th Army
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

Defending units:
32nd Chinese Corps
28th Chinese Corps
1st New Chinese Corps
89th Chinese Corps
51st Chinese Corps
53rd Chinese Corps
27th Chinese Corps
96th Chinese Corps
26th Chinese Corps
97th Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
1st Chinese Corps
59th Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
34th Separate Brigade
Central Reserve
39th Group Army
49th AA Regiment
41st AA Regiment
16th Construction Regiment
4th Heavy Mortar Regiment
18th Artillery Regiment
China Command
12th Construction Regiment
CAF HQ
17th Group Army
31st Group Army
32nd Group Army
1st Chinese Base Force

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No combat modifiers for my leaders, experience, supplies, no HQ bonus although 5 HQs present.

Not even a f***ing forts reduction this time.

I'm torn between rage and despair.

Maybe I should just abandon the siege of Chungking, abandon China, abandon the SRA the the POA, and hole-up in the Home Islands and wait for the Allied bombers to flatten the economy.

Boy, am I depressed...


Btw, regarding the OP - if the engagement between 41st Regiment and the 3rd SSVF Brigade is a "Knavey" (i.e. a historical engagement with "borked" results), do have more details about that historical battle?

You can't win. Chinese supply in Chungking is comped by the devs.

To get HQ bonuses, weed out the bad leaders. Replace them with ones with highest aggro/land, recommended for assault HQs.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

This game is borked...let's give it up, completely and forever. Delete it from our hard drives. [:D]

You're right! You first. [;)]

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget


Btw, regarding the OP - if the engagement between 41st Regiment and the 3rd SSVF Brigade is a "Knavey" (i.e. a historical engagement with "borked" results), do have more details about that historical battle?

Nah, not really. Just one of those many battles where you get a bad die roll and the unexpected occurs. 13:1 assault odds, so I 'win'. Except then in the loss calculations I don't hurt a single device. Guess my guys were shooting at shadows or something.

[;)]

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget


Btw, regarding the OP - if the engagement between 41st Regiment and the 3rd SSVF Brigade is a "Knavey" (i.e. a historical engagement with "borked" results), do have more details about that historical battle?

Nah, not really. Just one of those many battles where you get a bad die roll and the unexpected occurs. 13:1 assault odds, so I 'win'. Except then in the loss calculations I don't hurt a single device. Guess my guys were shooting at shadows or something.

[;)]

Probably Japan's shortages of natural resources - things like ... lead.

[RichardAckermann]

For Chungking and other strongholds, I commonly use just my best Division and artillery. All other troops remain in reserve. It seems defensive power is adjusted to assault power. I never got too bad losses, and now and then the Div killed a fort level due to engineers. Once the forts are gone, I occasionally go in full, every time my other troops are ready.