Naval OOB question - curiosity - just me or well known

[Macclan5]

I was just re-reading Anthony Beavor's book on Normandy. A periodic reread.

Suddenly it rather jumped out at me.

USS Nevada BB was at Normandy in 1944.

I went and checked my game - and sure enough by March 43 - I have Nevada in port and fully updated - ready to participate in Bombardment missions. No withdrawal date.

I suppose that this:

1) Probably noted a hundred times or so historically by veteran players and discussed ad nauseum ?

2) Give and take here.. you can never guarantee that Nevada will not sink turn 1 for example ..so... ??

However as I scrolled through the USN BB at Pearl and Colorado in Seattle - no single 'ole ironside BB' seems to have a withdraw date to compensate....

Just me ? Is there a story behind it ?

[spence]

The designer/devs either just missed it or the "editor" did it. Mot the only mistake in the Allied OOB either. Since the Japanese renamed some of their submarines (added 100 to the hull number) I suspect there may even be some duplicates there too (not too worried about it though I do like accurate OOBs).

[Macclan5]

Thanks ...

Yes hardly worrisome given so much is accurate. I mean 99.9% is a fantastic ratio.

It may not have been an actual over site either...

Since you cannot predict how many you "completely loose at Pearl" - the DEVs may just have given the Allied Commander a break.

I think I have read consensus here being something like an average of 1.5 at Pearl (and then 1.5 near Singapore).

As I suggest perhaps it was intentional and there was a back story 'in days of Yore'

[BBfanboy]

This issue is no different from assuming that the US might have given the Pacific Theatre just a little more priority and kept Nevada to help with the invasion of Saipan (which happened on the same day as Op Overlord). Not a biggie.

[spence]

My vote is that it just was missed.

Just so you know the largest OF THE USCG Cutters: the CGC Taney also never withdraws although it did so IRL in either the latter part of 1942 or early in 1943. The ship also was equipped the same as its LANTFLEET sisters on Dec 7th 41 which should make it the best ASW ship in the Allied inventory on that date (its sisters were the largest US ships (2700 tons vice less than 2000 for your typical pre-war DD) committed to the escort of convoys in the Atlantic until mid 43 and between them sank 5 U-Boats (5 U-Boats between 6 ships of any particular class is not too shabby)). And it was always commanded by a senior CDR or CAPT instead of a LT/LTJG as the game has it (although not completely true in the game, the lower ranks seem to equate to lesser abilities). It also received a unique upgrade (for the class) in 1943 to have 4 x 5"/38cal (unknown secondary armament although the 4 x 20mm previously installed would not have required relocation because of the new main armament). That upgrade never served in the Pacific but the ship did return to the Pacific as an AGC in 1945.

[PetrOs]

Well, Nevada for Op Overlord was a bonus, as USS New York was not used not to interrupt the naval training. Nevada just happened to finish her upgrade utilizing Norfolk Navy Yard shipyard capacity, and was working up her crew while in Atlantic. Overlord was to some extent a gunnery trial for her. Would she have been rebuilt in the Pacific she would have never got to Overlord, and New York would have been there. Actually, crew of New York was quite unhappy that they were only doing training, and demanded many time to go to "real action", and many crewmen and officers bombarded the high command with the reports to transfer them to the fighting ships.

[mind_messing]

It's almost certainly a game balance decision.

It's not unfeasible for the Nevada to take massive damage on Dec 7th. If it sinks, it's fine, but if it's still under repair at it's withdrawal date then it's a continual drain of PP's for the Allies.

Not very balanced considering how desperately the Allies need PP's throughout the war.