Snow/Blizzard Effectiveness Effects?

[Michael T]

Weather Effects – Snow and blizzard reduce effectiveness recovered
by 20% and 40%, respectively. If a country is winterized, the weather
has no effect on their units.

The above is copied from the manual, page 67, Effectiveness Recovery.

I don't think this rule is what actually occurs in the game. From what I am seeing is that units are actually losing
effectiveness (not certain what the actual percentage is) while just sitting passively in a snow or blizzard hex. Rather than
recovering at a reduced rate. Or maybe it's both, losing effectiveness and reduced effectiveness recovery.

Either way the rule does not explain how snow and blizzard really affects a units effectiveness.

What is really happening Alvaro?

Did I perhaps miss a rule located somewhere else in the manual?

The weather chart has this note:

A winterized country has no snow or blizzard effectiveness
penalties.

Which alludes to some other effectiveness penalties. But I can't see where it is documented.

I am not complaining. I would just like to understand what is happening. I noticed my German units siting on the German/Russian
border in Snow weather have started to lose large amounts of effectiveness, just sitting there.

[Flaviusx]

My own experience is that I have to burn trucks in Russia to keep up unit effectiveness during the winter. They will indeed drop even sitting around and doing nothing. Maneuver is out of the question during the Russian winter, as your units will rapidly drop in efficiency.

[AlvaroSousa]

It's 10/20 not 20/40.

If you run around with the Germans you will lose more than you gain.
If you sit on a low map supply area the same will happen.

I had alternate methods to do the winter but they didn't work right. This was the best model.

Units lose 10 eff in snow period. That's it. or 20 in blizzard.

You can't be in the mountains with only a handful of mules bringing you supplies in 0 degree weather and expect to be in 100% fighting shape. It can't carry that much hot cocoa.

[shapelord]

This is how i understand it: if i have a german unit at 50% effectiveness and, let's say, it only receives one level of base recovery (+6%), if there is blizzard the outcome will be 50 + 6 - 20, so that the unit will lose effectiveness from 50% to 36%, it it correct?

[AlvaroSousa]

Yes. But if you are only getting the base of 6% means you are out in left field where no rail goes. Germans froze during the winter.

A general strategy for Germany is to stop attacking before the winter and dig in to well supplied defensive positions. If you keep attacking you will have what happened to Germany happen to you in 1941.

As the Soviets you should be building up to attack SOMEWHERE along the front. Use that +30 winter specialization on a couple units just to rip the Germans a new hole.

[Michael T]

I am not arguing the effect.

It's just not clear in the manual.

Are you certain it's 10/20 though? Because I am fairly certain when I pointed out the discrepancy between the rules and the chart you said it was 20/40. I will try and find that post.

[Michael T]

Ok I found the old post. You confirmed it was 10/20.