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Tanaka · Post by **Tanaka** » Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:38 pm

New to the game and loving it!

When comparing the stats for breakthrough and heavy armor 39 I see no difference in stats? What is the difference?

Also how do you upgrade units? Is it automatic?

ago1000 · Post by **ago1000** » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:18 pm

Heavy Armor has more tanks a slightly higher defense values as you research. Whereas, Breakthrough has an additional operation point added. Note, these techs are for mech and armor units only. So once you research them upgrades will occur automatically if you have the production points. I only really research Heavy Armor.

Tanaka · Post by **Tanaka** » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:31 am

ORIGINAL: ago1000

Heavy Armor has more tanks a slightly higher defense values as you research. Whereas, Breakthrough has an additional operation point added. Note, these techs are for mech and armor units only. So once you research them upgrades will occur automatically if you have the production points. I only really research Heavy Armor.

Gotcha thanks!

Tanaka · Post by **Tanaka** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:07 am

ORIGINAL: ago1000

Heavy Armor has more tanks a slightly higher defense values as you research. Whereas, Breakthrough has an additional operation point added. Note, these techs are for mech and armor units only. So once you research them upgrades will occur automatically if you have the production points. I only really research Heavy Armor.

What screen is that? In these screens I see no difference in stats?

Tanaka · Post by **Tanaka** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:08 am

No change?

ago1000 · Post by **ago1000** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:55 am

Research screen. The one with the microscope.

AlvaroSousa · Post by **AlvaroSousa** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:55 pm

Basically heavy armor didn't exist early. Correct me if I am wrong but the Pz V was the 1st heavy armor. Even the T-34 wasn't considered heavy but a medium tank.

Once you get into 1942/1943 Technically tigers and heavier tanks show up.

wodin · Post by **wodin** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:39 pm

ORIGINAL: Alvaro Sousa

Basically heavy armor didn't exist early. Correct me if I am wrong but the Pz V was the 1st heavy armor. Even the T-34 wasn't considered heavy but a medium tank.

Once you get into 1942/1943 Technically tigers and heavier tanks show up.

Heavy armour was around at the start for some nations. The French had heavy armour. The Russians had the KV tanks.

AlvaroSousa · Post by **AlvaroSousa** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:47 pm

Thus why France has 1940 heavy tanks in 1939 with +1 tanks and +1 defense.

But put a Panther vs it? It's like a knife through warm butter.

Tanaka · Post by **Tanaka** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:54 pm

So is there any reason to build a 39 heavy tank then? I guess you can still upgrade it?

AlvaroSousa · Post by **AlvaroSousa** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:59 pm

WarPlan is half strategic planning and half logistics.

gwgardner · Post by **gwgardner** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:20 pm

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

So is there any reason to build a 39 heavy tank then? I guess you can still upgrade it?

Upgrades are done automatically as research advances. To hurry upgrades, after reaching higher tech, you can set the unit to have high priority in upgrades. So yes, you purchase '39 heavies, and as the years progress, they will eventually upgrade and be ever more powerful, assuming you assign enough of your production pool to upgrades. Or you can wait till you have the higher tech and purchase new heavys at the higher level.

Tanaka · Post by **Tanaka** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:04 pm

ORIGINAL: gwgardner

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

So is there any reason to build a 39 heavy tank then? I guess you can still upgrade it?

Upgrades are done automatically as research advances. To hurry upgrades, after reaching higher tech, you can set the unit to have high priority in upgrades. So yes, you purchase '39 heavies, and as the years progress, they will eventually upgrade and be ever more powerful, assuming you assign enough of your production pool to upgrades. Or you can wait till you have the higher tech and purchase new heavys at the higher level.

Gotcha thanks!

AlbertN · Post by **AlbertN** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:30 pm

By how the game is, one does not have any need to build extra Breakthrough armour except maybe Italy.

Why? Italy starts with 2 Breakthrough units, and with its economy, they're as precious as they're. So may as well tech directly Breakthrough and maybe build another or so later on.

Germany starts with Breakthrough units - 2 of them - and that's pretty much it. Heavy Armour is so neatly superior to Breakthrough that Germany can tech Breakthrough as long as they've excess points - but the extra punch / defence so vastly outweight -1- single extra action points that's not worth it.

Allies have easier life, they can just forget entirely of the existance of Breakthrough - and just go Heavy Armour and smile at it.

cpdeyoung · Post by **cpdeyoung** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:58 pm

The Tiger was a true heavy tank. The Panther is considered by many as the best medium tank of the war.

The Tiger was Pz VI, the Panther Pz V.

Chuck.

battlevonwar · Post by **battlevonwar** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:06 am

Would be nice to add a reliability factor in with Breakthrough(light/medium tanks) vs the Unreliable Factor with Heavy Tanks.

Bigger they got the easier they sunk in mud, the more breakdowns they had and the more gas they guzzled. I know that's a bit micro but it would give a reason to continue to build Medium Tanks later into the war.

ORIGINAL: cpdeyoung

The Tiger was a true heavy tank. The Panther is considered by many as the best medium tank of the war.

The Tiger was Pz VI, the Panther Pz V.

Chuck.

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