Operation Scarlet Lance, 1966

Post descriptions of your brilliant successes and unfortunate demises.

Moderator: MOD_Command

Post Reply
User avatar
dpabrams
Posts: 190
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:45 pm
Location: Casper, Wyoming

Operation Scarlet Lance, 1966

Post by dpabrams »

What an ass kicking. Spoiler alert, lots of Soviet Subs and a spread out inadequate ASW fleet (no ASW assets on the carrier). Way too many enemy fighters for the Saratoga to hold off. I just can't get through it without a lot of losses, still win on points but man what a thumping. I am going to update the Saratoga air units, add some ASW helo's and Trackers.
Vote for Pedro
Varancar
Posts: 19
Joined: Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:48 pm

RE: Operation Scarlet Lance, 1966

Post by Varancar »

Was expecting more detail [&:]
User avatar
Randomizer
Posts: 1531
Joined: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:31 pm

RE: Operation Scarlet Lance, 1966

Post by Randomizer »

Saratoga has no ASW assets because aircraft carriers in the USN in 1966 were still classified as CVS optimized for ASW and CVA where the air groups were equipped entirely for attack and defence. Add all the Trackers you want but it won't reflect her 1966 air group in any reasonable sense. Of course at this time submarines were the offensive arm of the Red Banner Fleet and so should have been expected.

There are a couple of American OOB points with the scenario, US carriers seldom left port in this era without one of the big Talos-armed CG and or a Leahy or Belknap DLG and the Trackers in Crete should probably be Neptunes or Orions instead. I would probably have provided a couple of ASROC Gearings, maybe FRAM-II as their only real duties were ASW and plane-guard. That said this is a typical MGellis scenario; a well presented and challenging examination of what happens when a CVA ends up in a tactical situation better suited to a CVS.

There is an unfortunate tendency in this community to hold that if you lose, the scenario must be broken but I have done well playing Scarlet Lance and quite enjoyed it.

-C
User avatar
dpabrams
Posts: 190
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:45 pm
Location: Casper, Wyoming

RE: Operation Scarlet Lance, 1966

Post by dpabrams »

Good to know on the CVS/ CVA front, I understand the inadequate ASW better now. I had a much easier time when I added B-52's with Hound Dogs after getting the special weapons high sign and ASW helo's to the Saratoga, but how fair is that (not very).

I am still feeling my way around using flocks of Skyhawks with dumb bombs in the anti-ship role, coordinating one pass ASM attacks with Buccaneers, not getting my ass shot off by Badger tail gunners and setting better launch parameters for Sparrow III's. This is a very good scenario and I am committed to doing it right with what the original scenario gives me. Sure, there will be no more surprises but it's great practice.
Vote for Pedro
Post Reply

Return to “After Action Report”