OT: Greyhound movie (2020)

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

If you have opportunity watch the new Tom Hanks movie Greyhound (2020)!


https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6048922

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyhound_(film)


Leo "Apollo11"

[Ian R]

The plot follows a US Navy Commander on his first war-time assignment in command of a multi-national escort group defending a merchant ship convoy under attack by submarines in early-1942 during the Battle of the Atlantic, only months after the U.S. officially entered World War II.

So it's fiction then.

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: Ian R

The plot follows a US Navy Commander on his first war-time assignment in command of a multi-national escort group defending a merchant ship convoy under attack by submarines in early-1942 during the Battle of the Atlantic, only months after the U.S. officially entered World War II.

So it's fiction then.

The book original is fiction as well... but it doesn't matter... [;)]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Shepherd_(novel)


Leo "Apollo11"


P.S.
I love "HMS Ulysses" by Alistair MacLean as well - great novel - read it many times during my growing up... [:)]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Ulysses_(novel)

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

If you have opportunity watch the new Tom Hanks movie Greyhound (2020)!


https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6048922

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyhound_(film)


Leo "Apollo11"

This feels like the movie that shall not be named to me. Tom Hanks sinking the whole Kriegsmarine on his own in a knife fight.[8|]

[Alamander]

For you JFBs, I recommend Isoroku Yamamoto, released a few years back by a Japanese studio. It is a sympathetic biography of Yamamoto with very good acting and some well-done CGI battle scenes. This is really a top-rate film, in my opinion, though several scenes are highly derivative of Tora Tora Tora and Midway.

I also recommend the movie Zero Pilot about a few young Japanese who interview squadron mates of their grandfather and learn of his career and life as a Zero pilot. It is also well-done, well-acted, and with some very nice CGI battle scenes. It is fictional.

Finally there is Yamato a fictional account (though accurate with respect to naval actions of the BB) of the life of several crewmembers aboard the dreadnought. It is derivative of Titanic and Zero Pilot with a young Japanese woman going out to the wreckage to learn of the life of the man who adopted her. It is a rather genuine depiction, however, of life aboard a Japanese ship of war during this period, though not quite so good as the previous two, in my opinion.

[spence]

I read that part of it was filmed on a restored Fletcher class USS Kidd. The Forester story is quite good (The Good Shepherd) and I would recommend it highly.

Several fictional aspects of the film are not all that objectionable: I believe the USS Keeling is a Fletcher class ship - don't believe any of those were in commission in the USN at that time (Wiki says the first one got commissioned in June of 1942). In early 1942 I'm pretty sure that Adm King had most of the USN looking in various corners of the Atlantic for U-boats and that all that he committed to actual escort duties were some Coast Guard cutters and older destroyers (4 pipers). The one thing that is surely made up is the German Uboat getting onto the TBS (talk between ships) to taunt the escorts. The Germans did get onto the TBS frequencies from time to time but I'm pretty sure they never actively participated in the "discussion".


Back when I was in the Coast Guard I served on two of those cutters that participated in convoy escort: USCGC Duane and USCGC Bibb and happened to find a relics of WW2 on each. On the Duane I found the Official War Diaries for 1943 among the files in the Code Room (still marked Secret) and on the Bibb I found an old scrapbook from 1943 behind a locker that had broken away from the bulkhead with lots of pictures taken at sea (of dungaree Chiefs) and on liberty in Casablanca. Don't know what happened in 1942 but the USCGC Hamilton (a sister ship) was sunk by a Uboat in January 1942 so it would seem they were out there. In any case the greatest crisis of the Battle of the Atlantic didn't happen until March 1943 since that's when the Kriegsmarine had finally built up enough to put over 100 Uboats to sea at once.

Incidentally the CGC Duane helped the CGC Spencer (another sister ship) sink a Uboat (U-175) and rescued and captured some of the crew. The CGC Spencer had a LIFE photographer on board so the sinking was recorded on film and can be found at: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-175A/U-175.htm

Can't wait til the movie comes out on a different venue since my TV isn't new enough to be able to get Apple TV+[&:] Tom Hanks is good and the story is good

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

If you have opportunity watch the new Tom Hanks movie Greyhound (2020)!


https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6048922

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyhound_(film)


Leo "Apollo11"

This feels like the movie that shall not be named to me. Tom Hanks sinking the whole Kriegsmarine on his own in a knife fight.[8|]

warspite1

I guess you haven't seen the film then?

[warspite1]

SPOILER ALERT FOR GREYHOUND

I watched Greyhound.

I was expecting a lot from it – being a fan of Tom Hanks since Volunteers and Splash! – and really enjoying Band of Brothers.

It didn’t quite live up to expectations, but I would say I enjoyed it and was glad I saw it. The positives outweighed the negatives definitely.

Positives
- The greyness of the Atlantic was well borne out
- The action scenes were generally good (although they overplayed the close encounters on the surface which did happen but were hardly standard German tactics)
- The death of Cleveland was a shocker – a very likeable character
- Stephen Graham appears to be an honorary American now
- CGI was pretty good (unlike so many aircraft portrayals) – the Fletcher-class and the Flower-class corvette, looked to be sufficiently accurate
- Good to see the RN and the RCN were included as well as reference to merchant sailors from other allied nations (through the Greek merchant)

Negatives
- Of all the names they could have used (Harry was pretty cool) why did they call a British destroyer Eagle?? No!!!!!!
- The movement inside the ship didn’t seem to match what the destroyer was doing, battling against the waves, and the sailors should have been battling the elements more – cold, wet and being thrown about
- Elisabeth Shue’s part really wasn’t worth turning up for. I mean give her a bit more to do or just decide to do away with her “character” altogether. A waste of 5 minutes or whatever she was on for.
- The taunting of the crew by the U-boat commanders….. mmm that was the only bit that really grated. Just no. As far as I know there was no incidence of this and it was all a bit hammy.

[Dante Fierro]

So far the reviews have been quite positive for this movie. Even among grognards, which is even a bit rarer for a war movie.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

If you have opportunity watch the new Tom Hanks movie Greyhound (2020)!


https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6048922

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyhound_(film)


Leo "Apollo11"

This feels like the movie that shall not be named to me. Tom Hanks sinking the whole Kriegsmarine on his own in a knife fight.[8|]

warspite1

I guess you haven't seen the film then?

Lol, no? I have seen the trailer and those 2 min show the sinking of at least 2 (or 3?) Uboats AND both one Uboat and a destroyer firing at each other like 18th century lineships. [8|] If that does seam reasonable well for you.

Only the lovestory seems to be worse, both Hanks and that woman not being as attractive as Affleck and Beckinsale. [:D]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: castor troy




This feels like the movie that shall not be named to me. Tom Hanks sinking the whole Kriegsmarine on his own in a knife fight.[8|]

warspite1

I guess you haven't seen the film then?

Lol, no? I have seen the trailer and those 2 min show the sinking of at least 2 (or 3?) Uboats AND both one Uboat and a destroyer firing at each other like 18th century lineships. [8|] If that does seam reasonable well for you.

warspite1

I gave my view of whether it was reasonable in my post above. If it doesn't work for you then fair enough.

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

SPOILER ALERT FOR GREYHOUND

I watched Greyhound.

I was expecting a lot from it – being a fan of Tom Hanks since Volunteers and Splash! – and really enjoying Band of Brothers.

It didn’t quite live up to expectations, but I would say I enjoyed it and was glad I saw it. The positives outweighed the negatives definitely.

Positives
- The greyness of the Atlantic was well borne out
- The action scenes were generally good (although they overplayed the close encounters on the surface which did happen but were hardly standard German tactics)
- The death of Cleveland was a shocker – a very likeable character
- Stephen Graham appears to be an honorary American now
- CGI was pretty good (unlike so many aircraft portrayals) – the Fletcher-class and the Flower-class corvette, looked to be sufficiently accurate
- Good to see the RN and the RCN were included as well as reference to merchant sailors from other allied nations (through the Greek merchant)

Negatives
- Of all the names they could have used (Harry was pretty cool) why did they call a British destroyer Eagle?? No!!!!!!
- The movement inside the ship didn’t seem to match what the destroyer was doing, battling against the waves, and the sailors should have been battling the elements more – cold, wet and being thrown about
- Elisabeth Shue’s part really wasn’t worth turning up for. I mean give her a bit more to do or just decide to do away with her “character” altogether. A waste of 5 minutes or whatever she was on for.
- The taunting of the crew by the U-boat commanders….. mmm that was the only bit that really grated. Just no. As far as I know there was no incidence of this and it was all a bit hammy.

Eagle was the code name in the book that it's based on. "The Good Shepherd" by CS Forrestor. One change from the book , the DD was not a Fletcher class. The 1st wouldn't be in commission for another year. But since the USS Kidd was the closest thing they had , she stood in for the USS Keeling.

BTW "Eagle" is not a bad name for the Poles. Orel was one of their most famous "Free Polish" warships (a submarine) and The Eagle was their national bird (sort of). [:D]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

BTW "Eagle" is not a bad name for the Poles. Orel was one of their most famous "Free Polish" warships (a submarine) and The Eagle was their national bird (sort of). [:D]

warspite1

I think you mean Orzel [;)] Post 275

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[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

Eagle was the code name in the book that it's based on.

warspite1

Yes but HMS Eagle was an aircraft carrier - still very much afloat in early 1942 and not right for a destroyer (imho).

[spence]

both one Uboat and a destroyer firing at each other like 18th century lineships. If that does seam reasonable well for you.

Quite a few Uboats were sunk by ramming by an escort vessel. On at least two occasions a ramming by a USN destroyer resulted in subsequent hand to hand combat (USS BORIE/U-405 was one, can't remember the other). The U-607 was rammed and sunk by the USCGC Campbell (the USS Borie also sank, and the CGC Campbell was disabled by a last minute maneuver by the Uboat). In the sinking of U-175 a close up photo taken from the bridge of CGC Spencer shows a German crewman sheltering behind the conning tower as the cutter steams by (The CO of Spencer decided at the last minute that he didn't need to finish off the Uboat by ramming).

[spence]

The second instance of hand to hand combat between a USN destroyer and a Uboat involved the USS Buckley and the U-66. The official report of the action by the US ship's CO can be found at:http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-66A/U-66BuckleyReport.htm

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: spence

The second instance of hand to hand combat between a USN destroyer and a Uboat involved the USS Buckley and the U-66. The official report of the action by the US ship's CO can be found at:http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-66A/U-66BuckleyReport.htm

yes, I know. So let's put every rare event together in a Hollywood film because the "normal" reality would not be bloody, crazy or exxagerated enough for today's audience. I loved Band of Brothers, as many others here, I thought the first minutes of Saving Private Ryan were excellently done but pretty much everything that came after is pure Hollywood and not near realism. Fury for example?

Can Hanks fly a B-25?

[RangerJoe]

Ernest R. Kouma

Medal of Honor action

Men sit on a tank which is holding position among a line of troops
An M26 Pershing tank supporting troops of the 9th Infantry along the banks of the Naktong River during the Second Battle of Naktong Bulge in September 1950.
Main article: Second Battle of Naktong Bulge

That evening, Kouma led the patrol of two M26 Pershing tanks and two M19 Gun Motor Carriages in Agok, along the Naktong River.[11] Kouma placed his patrol on the west side of Agok near the Kihang ferry. At 20:00, a heavy fog covered the river, and at 22:00 mortar shells began falling on the American-held side of the river.[12] By 22:15, this strike intensified and North Korean mortar preparation struck A Company's positions. American mortars and artillery began responding with counter-battery fire.[9] Some of A Company's men reported hearing noises on the opposite side of the river and splashes in the water.[10]

At 22:30, the fog lifted and Kouma saw that a North Korean pontoon bridge was being laid across the river directly in front of his position.[10] Kouma's four vehicles attacked this structure, with Kouma manning the M2 Browning .50-caliber machine gun atop the tank. As the gunner fired the tank's main cannon, Kouma sank many of the boats attempting to cross the river with his machine gun.[5] At 23:00, a small arms fight flared around the left side of A Company north of the tanks.[11] This gunfire had lasted only two or three minutes when the A Company roadblock squads near the tanks heard over the field telephone that the company was withdrawing and that they should do likewise.[10] Kouma instead opted to act as a rearguard to cover the infantry.[13] He was wounded shortly thereafter in the foot reloading the tank's ammunition. He quickly fought off another North Korean attack across the river with his machine gun.[5]

Kouma's force was then ambushed by a group of North Koreans dressed in US military uniforms.[14] Kouma was wounded a second time, in the shoulder, as he beat back repeated North Korean crossings with his machine gun. Several strong attacks came within meters of the tank, but Kouma was able to drive them back despite his wounds. Eventually, the other three vehicles withdrew or were neutralized, and Kouma held the Agok crossing site until 07:30 the next morning with just his tank.[11][14] At one point, the tank was surrounded and Kouma had to engage the North Koreans from outside the tank with machine gun fire at point blank range. After the tank gun's ammunition was expended, Kouma used his pistol and grenades to hold off the North Koreans. The tank then withdrew 8 miles (13 km) to the newly established American lines, destroying three North Korean machine gun positions along the way. During his action, Kouma had killed an estimated 250 North Korean troops.[13] His actions in this fight alone surpassed the highly decorated US Army soldier Audie Murphy, who was credited with 240 kills during World War II,[15] and who had been the second most decorated US soldier in the war.[16] His single-handed heroic battle may have served as a seed for the fictional W.W. II movie, Fury (2014 film).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_R._Kouma

[RangerJoe]

Lafayette G. Pool

Lafayette Green Pool (July 23, 1919 – May 30, 1991) was an American tank-crew and tank-platoon commander in World War II and is widely recognized as the US tank ace of aces,[2][page needed] credited with 12 confirmed tank kills and 258 total armoured vehicle and self-propelled gun kills, over 1,000 German soldiers killed, and 250 more taken as prisoners of war[3] all of which took place in a combat career that covered only 81 days in action from 27 June to 15 September 1944 with three different Shermans.[4] He received many medals, including the Distinguished Service Cross, the Legion of Merit, the Silver Star, the Purple Heart, the Belgian Fourragère, and the French Légion d'honneur.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lafayette_G._Pool

[Mark VII]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

Can Hanks fly a B-25?

No, but they can CGI Hanks into a B-25 cockpit, then they can CGI his face into the cockpit window of a full size CGI B-25, then that CGI B-25 onto the deck of a CGI Hornet. The best part will be when they CGI a orange/redish glow onto Hanks face as he looks out his CGI B-25 window from the firestorm started by the 4x500lb bombs he dropped on Tokyo.