Various unit Errata

[MechFO]

II./StG 3 arrives Turn 30 with Ju87D5, should be Ju87R

125 Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized
361st Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized

The RHG Commands in the Soviet Union Garrison are not locked, since all the other HQ's are, they should probably be as well.

If one cancels the transfer orders for HQ's some stay locked and some become unlocked. Examples are 8th Italian Army (stays Locked) and SS Panzer Corps (becomes unlocked upon arrival in WE). I could transfer SS Panzer to the map on T57. Don't know which is WAD. With enhanced TB on, it would be nice for at least some HQ's to be available.

[MechFO]

The 533 Coastal Artillery that converts to II/1st Afrika should be the 532.

The 75mm leFK18 doesn't get produced because the end date is 1940. This is correct but should probably be given a bigger pool so account for the some small series of other 75mm that were produced later on and to account for the attrition model.

The 105mm SK18 has about 450 on map, should be around 750. Production from mid 41 to end 44 was 1'350, the 5 per turn limit is not going to get anywhere near there since the end date of the item is 12/44. Also since it's used by a lot of on map units, the attrition model raises it's head again.

15cm K39 production did end in 1942, but production of K18 lasted into 1943. Also production is quite erratic, at turn 74 I only have 25 built. I suggest stretching this to end 43.

17cm K18, another erratic producer. At Turn 74 I have 32 built. By end 44 it should be 340+. These should be replacing the 15cm guns in the Heavy Cannon Battalions over time but this doesn't seem to be happening. Could be because there is never enough stock to trigger the swap mechanism. Or the TOE of the 15cm Cannon Battalions should upgrade to the 17cm to generate the demand.

[MechFO]

Lehr Army Art Brigade
70th
88th
288th
411th
412th
704th
777th
959th

are all no motorized, should be motorized.

[MechFO]

388th Volks Art Brigade should have the 403 TOE
410th Volks Art Brigade is missing it's 27 21cm Werfer. Instead of adding an extra TOE might just want to make a seperate Werfer Abt.

[MechFO]

I/84th K3 Gun Battalion only has 2 batteries in game. This is correct for what is known to be still around in 1945 but it started the war with 3.

[MechFO]

Some German Regiments are multirole and some are not. I don't know what is WAD but I suggest it be made consistent. I couldn't see where to find the flag in the editor so I'll only list the ones I found by chance.

MR enabled

638th LVF French Infantry Regiment

MR not enabled

SS Dirlewanger Reg
369th Croat Inf Reg

[MechFO]

TOE Schnelle Brigade 20 and 30:

right now OB 350:

54 Rifle Squads
1 81mm
14 MG's
12 50mm Mortars
39 Support

What's correct is that it consisted of only 3 Recon Bicycle Battalions without any support elements but the composition of the Battalions seems to have been different.

Example of Schnelle Abteilung 505, part of Schnelle Brigade 30.
Die Schnelle Abteilung 18 wurde am 3. März 1943 in Belgien aufgestellt. Zur Aufstellung wurde die Reserve-Radfahr-Abteilung 18 umbenannt. Die Abteilung wurde der Schnelle Brigade 30 unterstellt. Die Gliederung der Abteilung war die einer Aufklärungs-Abteilung: 1 Stabs-Schwadron mit Nachrichten-Staffel und Pionier-Zug, 2 Radfahr-Schwadronen und 1 schwere Schwadron mit 7,5 cm-Pak-Zug, einem Flak- und einen Grantwerfer-Zug. Die Mannschaften rekrutierten sich überwiegend aus den Jahrgängen 1924 und 1925. Bereits am 16. März 1943 wurde die Abteilung in Schnelle Abteilung 505 umbenannt.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... derung.htm

[Great_Ajax]

Just a note that I am watching this thread.

The current OBs in the game are a mish and mash collection of organizations that began with WitE that were created by Jim Wirth and which I took over during development of the Torch scenarios. This list has become something of a frankenstein with changes in the vision of these OBs occurring with the handoff between me and Jim. In between there, you had the introduction of numerous new ground elements - some of which haven't made it into the OBs. I have spent the past 18 months detailing a massive rework of all OBs in the game (in excel spreadsheets) for all nations to ensure that all of the ground elements are being used somewhere and allow for numerous variations of standardized units. For example, the standard panzer division of WiTE has been replaced with at least four "tiers". However, a massive restructure of the OB file will require re-aligning every OB in every unit in the game. Not to mention the time it will take to physically rebuild the entire file in an organized fashion.

I say all of this to show my commitment to providing the most realistic and flavorful OB selection possible. Once Pavel (Helpless) and Joel get a handle on the post release priority bugs, we plan on discussing updating the editor and *hopefully* implementing these OB updates because I am very excited about them. While I don't mind making a few needed changes to the existing OB file, I don't want to spend too much time in there with a massive update on the horizon.

Trey

ORIGINAL: MechFO

TOE Schnelle Brigade 20 and 30:

right now OB 350:

54 Rifle Squads
1 81mm
14 MG's
12 50mm Mortars
39 Support

What's correct is that it consisted of only 3 Recon Bicycle Battalions without any support elements but the composition of the Battalions seems to have been different.

Example of Schnelle Abteilung 505, part of Schnelle Brigade 30.
Die Schnelle Abteilung 18 wurde am 3. März 1943 in Belgien aufgestellt. Zur Aufstellung wurde die Reserve-Radfahr-Abteilung 18 umbenannt. Die Abteilung wurde der Schnelle Brigade 30 unterstellt. Die Gliederung der Abteilung war die einer Aufklärungs-Abteilung: 1 Stabs-Schwadron mit Nachrichten-Staffel und Pionier-Zug, 2 Radfahr-Schwadronen und 1 schwere Schwadron mit 7,5 cm-Pak-Zug, einem Flak- und einen Grantwerfer-Zug. Die Mannschaften rekrutierten sich überwiegend aus den Jahrgängen 1924 und 1925. Bereits am 16. März 1943 wurde die Abteilung in Schnelle Abteilung 505 umbenannt.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... derung.htm

[MechFO]

Thank you for the update. As I've mentioned before it's already leaps and bounds better than WITE and I look forward to what the future rework will bring. I agree it doesn't make much sense to spend a lot of time on random edits.

I didn't want to spam your inbox and not being able to see the content of sent PM's makes keeping track here much easier.



I./NJG 5 upgrades from II./ZG2 correctly but the allowed plane types doesn't update to Nightfighters.

[Great_Ajax]

I appreciate the reviews and if they are something that is easily edited or are obviously wrong, then I don't mind making some edits. I definitely want to catch wrong renames and the like.

ORIGINAL: MechFO

Thank you for the update. As I've mentioned before it's already leaps and bounds better than WITE and I look forward to what the future rework will bring. I agree it doesn't make much sense to spend a lot of time on random edits.

I didn't want to spam your inbox and not being able to see the content of sent PM's makes keeping track here much easier.



I./NJG 5 upgrades from II./ZG2 correctly but the allowed plane types doesn't update to Nightfighters.

[MechFO]

16th SS Sturm Brig update chain is weird:

to 43b SS Sturm Brig in June 1943 then to 44 SS Pz Gren Div in April 1943

90th Lt Afrika MD does not have an upgrade chain after 42, should maybe have the Pz Gren one.

If at all, since the forming was cancelled, the 526. Reserve Division should only enter in September 1944. Right now it enters with the other Reserve Divisions in 1942.

The Sturm Inf Battalions point to an empty TOE (OB Nr. 2) after the 42 Sturm Infantry Bat (OB Nr 1993).

[Great_Ajax]

16th SS looks weird but it is okay. Those start dates are the earliest that those particular OBs are available. They can be a part of multiple different OB chains and paths.

* Starts as 43a Sturm Brigade
* Upgrades to 43b Sturm Brigade in Jun 43
* Upgrades to 44 SS Panzergrenadier Division in Jan. 44

OB file only tells part of the story. The 90th Light Afrika Motorized Division renames (ie switches to a brand new OB chain) to the 90th Panzergrenadier Division using OB 118 on Turn 107. See the rename path for the 90th Lt Afrika in the UNIT tab.

You're right on the 526th.

Trey

ORIGINAL: MechFO

16th SS Sturm Brig update chain is weird:

to 43b SS Sturm Brig in June 1943 then to 44 SS Pz Gren Div in April 1943

90th Lt Afrika MD does not have an upgrade chain after 42, should maybe have the Pz Gren one.

If at all, since the forming was cancelled, the 526. Reserve Division should only enter in September 1944. Right now it enters with the other Reserve Divisions in 1942.

[MechFO]

ORIGINAL: Great_Ajax

16th SS looks weird but it is okay. Those start dates are the earliest that those particular OBs are available. They can be a part of multiple different OB chains and paths.

* Starts as 43a Sturm Brigade
* Upgrades to 43b Sturm Brigade in Jun 43
* Upgrades to 44 SS Panzergrenadier Division in Jan. 44

I see, I didn't know the last month/year of a TOE overrides the beginning date of the follow on TOE.

ORIGINAL: Great_Ajax
OB file only tells part of the story. The 90th Light Afrika Motorized Division renames (ie switches to a brand new OB chain) to the 90th Panzergrenadier Division using OB 118 on Turn 107. See the rename path for the 90th Lt Afrika in the UNIT tab.

I'll check in the editor in the future. Would be nice to have some indication of renames in the unit tab if it can be hooked up.



Just to repeat my earlier Edit above:
The Sturm Inf Battalions point to an empty TOE (OB Nr. 2) after the 42 Sturm Infantry Bat (OB Nr 1993).

[MechFO]

Schnelle Brigade West

The 24 Hummel stick out.

The gepanzerter Art Regiment 1 first had 6 batteries, then got the third Abteilung in March 43 when it was turned into gepanzerter Art Regiment 931 sfl., then became the Panzer Art Regiment 155, which had the standard TOE.

It's plausible the french guns made up part or the entire 2 light Abt but there doesn't seem to be any indication of more than the standard 6 Hummel of a schwere Abteilung.

[Great_Ajax]

Difference between what was authorized and what was actually provided. The KSTNs that I saw actually provided for Wespes and Hummels but then probably got substitutes.

ORIGINAL: MechFO

Schnelle Brigade West

The 24 Hummel stick out.

The gepanzerter Art Regiment 1 first had 6 batteries, then got the third Abteilung in March 43 when it was turned into gepanzerter Art Regiment 931 sfl., then became the Panzer Art Regiment 155, which had the standard TOE.

It's plausible the french guns made up part or the entire 2 light Abt but there doesn't seem to be any indication of more than the standard 6 Hummel of a schwere Abteilung.

[MechFO]

Same as the Sturm Inf Bats mentioned above, the 43 Stug Bttr OB 369 upgrades to the empty OB 2.

[Great_Ajax]

I see that. Those entries should be zeroed out. I will take care of it.

Trey

ORIGINAL: MechFO

Same as the Sturm Inf Bats mentioned above, the 43 Stug Bttr OB 369 upgrades to the empty OB 2.

[MechFO]

ORIGINAL: Great_Ajax

Difference between what was authorized and what was actually provided. The KSTNs that I saw actually provided for Wespes and Hummels but then probably got substitutes.

ORIGINAL: MechFO

Schnelle Brigade West

The 24 Hummel stick out.

The gepanzerter Art Regiment 1 first had 6 batteries, then got the third Abteilung in March 43 when it was turned into gepanzerter Art Regiment 931 sfl., then became the Panzer Art Regiment 155, which had the standard TOE.

It's plausible the french guns made up part or the entire 2 light Abt but there doesn't seem to be any indication of more than the standard 6 Hummel of a schwere Abteilung.

Real headscratcher

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi ... n-fcm-36f/

mentions 8 or 12 in existance and refers to

the KSTN 430 https://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn43031okt42.htm

which had 4 guns in a single Battery in 2 Abt. This might have been an early transitionary organisation before 2 gun batteries became the norm. Since 2 guns per battery was standard for a Panzer Art Reg in 43, and it consisted of the standard 6 light batteries a total of 12 seems plausible.

However the only other formation with KSTN 430 would have been gepanzerter Art Reg 2, also founded 1.11.1942 but never consisting of more than the Observer Bttr, the Regimental Staff and the Staff battery. So either they never went with KSTN 430 and had 6 2 gun batteries from the beginning, or 4 guns were sitting around for a few months until the transition from gepanzerter Art Reg to Panzer Art Reg, or they had a mixed light Abt with a few Wespes to make up numbers. But such mixing would be unusual.

[Denniss]

https://www.weltkrieg2.de/21-panzer-division-im-westen/

Image claimed to show 10,5cm leFH18(Sf) auf GW 39H(f)

[MechFO]

I/KG51 renames to I/KG(J)51 and converts to Me410 in mid May 1943 in the game.

I don't see when the renaming happened but the first deliveries of Me410 took place in July 1943 so the conversion should be pushed back a bit.

https://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/kampf/bikg51.html