Japanese Garrisons

[stjeand]

I am noticing an issue where the Japanese have no way to garrison all their islands in the 41 scenario.

In the 42 scenario they have 2 dozen+ 1 / 2 str units...in the 41 scenario they have 10.

Any way to create these units? Building a division and attacking until it is str 1 or 2 seems counter productive and very expensive.

Am I missing something so simple?

These units seem to be pretty crucial to just have something sitting on an island then again...maybe not.

[sveint]

The '42 scenario is heavily balanced pro-Japan. China collapses. Massive amount of garrions.

[gwgardner]

ORIGINAL: sveint

The '42 scenario is heavily balanced pro-Japan. China collapses. Massive amount of garrions.

vs. the Chinese AI? I have not noticed that imbalance, hopefully others will chime in on it.

re getting enough garrisons, can build dividions and place in garrison mode, thus freeing up manpower and production points, can draw a few units from the non-Manchurian China force, can guard some islands within a land-based air zone; the '42 scenario OOB, with lots of understrength units, could be Alvaro's way of replicating a unit size, eg battallion, that is not available for build to the player.

[sveint]

Just load both scenarios and take a look at the forces. No way you can build those units as Japan if you start in 41.
Chinese forces are near identical to 41, nothing built.

[scout1]

ORIGINAL: sveint

Just load both scenarios and take a look at the forces. No way you can build those units as Japan if you start in 41.
Chinese forces are near identical to 41, nothing built.

are there garrison requirements in China ?

Or for that matter, in Manchuria ?

[AlbertN]

I do not think '42 Scenario is favoring Japs. The '41 is not playable due to the Logistic cap that is far to low.

'42 Scenario, Japs have lots of units but they're 1-3 Strength manning islands. When and if Japan manages to repair them, that's another tale related to how they use their very limited production. (Okay concept there!)
But a Division takes 10 Logistic Points, whichever is its Strength value.

Manchuria needs a Garrison or Soviets will speed up their activation.
China per se does not require garrison but Partisans will screw rails and supply lanes if there are railroads not in ZoC of Japanese units.

[stjeand]

Okay perhaps I said this all wrong...

I was trying to figure out why the Japanese have so many 2 STR units that they can not build in the 42 scenario but not the 41.
Those appear to be required to sit on islands as look outs. Though maybe just having the island is enough for that.

There is no way to come close to building what they have even if the Logistics matched.

Not sure why the Logistics for the Japanese is 600 less in the 41 scenario...they can not possibly build that many units with the amount of PP they have once battle start to occur and repairs are needed.


Perhaps a play-tester or Alvaro can answer this.
I suspect there is a reason.

[AlvaroSousa]

Looks like I forgot to update logistics for the 1941 scenario.

I'll put that in the new patch.

[stjeand]

China per se does not require garrison but Partisans will screw rails and supply lanes if there are railroads not in ZoC of Japanese units.

Well looks like Logistics is being fixed...a missed up.

Repairing is 25% cheaper than building so...Yes it will take a LONG while but be much cheaper in the long run.

I am still lost as to building island garrisoning units. I think the Japanese need them...

[sveint]

Adding some 1-strenght divsions to the 41 scenario could help.

[stjeand]

No need to add them...but allow them to be built.

I think there were 20+ in the 41 scenario...and they have 4 or 6 in the 40 scenario.


They can be the cost minus the repair.
Call them island garrisons or something like that.