Is There A Future For TOAW?

Lobster · Post by **Lobster** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:34 am

Really. What's the deal? Is it off to the dustcart?

jmlima · Post by **jmlima** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:28 am

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Really. What's the deal? Is it off to the dustcart?

Is it time for me to dust-off the end-of-the-year ceremonial tumbleweed graphic?

altipueri · Post by **altipueri** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:16 pm

Not at the moment sadly.

ncc1701e · Post by **ncc1701e** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:50 pm

I think it depends on the $$$ Matrix is willing to invest. [;)]

gamer78 · Post by **gamer78** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:33 pm

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I think it depends on the $$$ Matrix is willing to invest. [;)]

Invest in scenario creation or engine you mean? Greek&Turkish War was at the very basic level (maybe kids will buy) as I see in TOAW'4.

ncc1701e · Post by **ncc1701e** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:56 pm

A new engine in C# based on Unity or Godot engine.

Fred98 · Post by **Fred98** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:56 pm

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Really. What's the deal? Is it off to the dustcart?

Why?

demyansk · Post by **demyansk** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:15 pm

I don’t want anything similar to panzer Corp 2. I still rather play the original game and play it each day. I just don’t like the panzer 2 graphics, just too difficult to see the different units

Lobster · Post by **Lobster** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:56 pm

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ORIGINAL: Lobster

Really. What's the deal? Is it off to the dustcart?

Why?

This thread: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5087773

gamer78 · Post by **gamer78** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:53 pm

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A new engine in C# based on Unity or Godot engine.

Then similar can be said about War in the East&West series. No guarantee it will work better in modern computer. But scenario choice for player is at least solid.

ncc1701e · Post by **ncc1701e** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:54 am

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ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

A new engine in C# based on Unity or Godot engine.

Then similar can be said about War in the East&West series. No guarantee it will work better in modern computer. But scenario choice for player is at least solid.

I don't know. Bugs that I find easy to correct are not yet solved since years. So, I am wondering if this is linked to an old engine running on a latest OS.
Since I don't have any answer, maybe the engine is so old that it can't be changed.

My personal impression is that this is time for a redesign.

coachi · Post by **coachi** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:53 pm

Use to play regularly. Cant get it to play on mac using emulator anymore

sPzAbt653 · Post by **sPzAbt653** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:01 pm

Some of us have been involved in preliminary work on a new program. The main issue has been finding anyone willing to do the programming, or program writing, or whatever that part is called.

Edit: I should have said 'had been' as it has been a few years.

76mm · Post by **76mm** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:23 pm

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Bugs that I find easy to correct are not yet solved since years. So, I am wondering if this is linked to an old engine running on a latest OS...maybe the engine is so old that it can't be changed.

My personal impression is that this is time for a redesign.

I suspect that the the bugs haven't been fixed because of a lack of programming resources rather than it just being an "old engine". pzgdnr fixed many bugs in EiA during his work on it. The fact that at least three people have worked on the code (Norm, Ralph, Bob) probably doesn't help, as at this point no one seems to fully understand the code.

Starting over would be a daunting task, something similar to what 2x3 seems to be doing with Steel Tigers. Would be great if it happened, but I'm not holding my breath.

ncc1701e · Post by **ncc1701e** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:13 pm

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Starting over would be a daunting task, something similar to what 2x3 seems to be doing with Steel Tigers. Would be great if it happened, but I'm not holding my breath.

Yes and back to my initial question, how many $$$ Matrix would like to invest in it?

pzgndr · Post by **pzgndr** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:59 pm

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I suspect that the the bugs haven't been fixed because of a lack of programming resources rather than it just being an "old engine". pzgdnr fixed many bugs in EiA during his work on it.

Starting over would be a daunting task...

I'll say it is non-trivial to pick up someone else's massive source code and try to figure it out. It took me a couple of years and several fits and starts. I'm a bit more savvy now but I have scars. Anybody who thinks Matrix Games does all of the programming for all of the games and all they have to do is throw some resources at it doesn't understand what's involved. Except for a couple of in-house projects, all they do is publish some other developer's work and it's up to the developer (original, or some new guy) to do the work.

Considering that Marshall Ellis spent a half dozen years working on EIA prior to its release and another half dozen years trying to fix it and improve it, and then I've spent another half dozen years making bug fixes, AI improvements, and other game enhancements (and STILL some players are not satisfied), to start over AGAIN from scratch coding in C# or something else would be a daunting task indeed. And, oh look, here comes Windows 11 with more surprises. Yeah. And they ask me why I drink... [8|]

76mm · Post by **76mm** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:09 am

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I'll say it is non-trivial to pick up someone else's massive source code and try to figure it out. It took me a couple of years and several fits and starts. I'm a bit more savvy now but I have scars.

I didn't mean to imply that it would be trivial, just that it is possible--you've shown that, notwithstanding the scars. That said, given that TOAW is even older than EiA, and has passed through more hands, I would expect that fixing TOAW would be even more difficult.

76mm · Post by **76mm** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:13 am

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Except for a couple of in-house projects, all they do is publish some other developer's work and it's up to the developer (original, or some new guy) to do the work.

I've heard that Matrix actually owns a significant stake in TOAW; if so, TOAW would seem to qualify as one of their in-house projects, at least in theory. That said, they haven't demonstrated much interest in the game in recent years--hence the thread title, I suppose.

Erik Rutins · Post by **Erik Rutins** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:09 pm

We'd very much like to do more with it, but the road on this project has been unusually bumpy. I hope we'll be able to do more in the future, it's not a game we'd like to see retired.

Rosseau · Post by **Rosseau** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:34 pm

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We'd very much like to do more with it, but the road on this project has been unusually bumpy. I hope we'll be able to do more in the future, it's not a game we'd like to see retired.

Very much agreed on that. If it was only about money, I think the community would come forward to support a renewed project. But it seems like extraordinary skills are required for this one.

Best wishes to all.

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