Out of the box scenarios

[Hano]

I'm looking to do another full campaign but I'm unclear what the difference is between

December 8th Full Campaign
War in the Pacific - The full campaign
War in the Pacific - Hakko Ichiu

I understand the Quiet China options, Hakko Ichiu appears to be a better prepared Japan, but I cant understand the difference between the two Full campaign options

[Platoonist]

The December 8th Full Campaign begins with the historical damage already done to the US Pacific Fleet and airfields at Pearl Harbor. The Arizona and Oklahoma sunk, other ships badly damaged, and the Kido Butai withdrawing from the area. So, basically no Pearl Harbor attack. It already happened the day before.

[btd64]

The scenario descriptions explain the difference between scenarios....GP

[Platoonist]

ORIGINAL: btd64

The scenario descriptions explain the difference between scenarios....GP

Yeah, that works too.

[BBfanboy]

Did you know that Quiet China does not happen where Allied and Japanese troops are in adjoining hexes? QC sets a limited number of Japanese objectives to take in China before going quiet, but I think the reactive fighting can still happen. If you want to make it go quiet your must withdraw your side from close contact with the other side.

[Yaab]

ORIGINAL: Platoonist

ORIGINAL: btd64

The scenario descriptions explain the difference between scenarios....GP

Yeah, that works too.

Yeah, but can you do better than Chiang Kai-shek?

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Yaab

ORIGINAL: Platoonist

ORIGINAL: btd64

The scenario descriptions explain the difference between scenarios....GP

Yeah, that works too.

Yeah, but can you do better than Chiang Kai-shek?

[:D] If you offer me enough graft, yes![;)]

[Hano]

So the only difference between December 8th Full Campaign and War in the Pacific - Full Campaign is that one starts 24 hrs later than the other?

[Platoonist]

ORIGINAL: Hano

So the only difference between December 8th Full Campaign and War in the Pacific - Full Campaign is that one starts 24 hrs later than the other?

Yes. With the ships at Pearl Harbor that were sunk on December 7th missing, and other ships damaged that were historically damaged and some aircraft grounded and unable to fly or missing.

The scenario was designed for players who want the historical Pearl Harbor result rather than the more random ones you get with the December 7th start where sometimes you do better and sometimes you do worse than was done historically.

[Yaab]

Sometimes it is better to start on 8 Dec 1941 than suffer these losses:

BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 7, and is sunk
SS Narwhal, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 6, and is sunk
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
AVP Swan, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
SS Cachalot, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB California, Bomb hits 13, Torpedo hits 7, and is sunk
DM Tracy, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Allen, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AVD Hulbert, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DM Preble, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
PT-25, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
YO-31, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Tucker, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Jarvis, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

[Hano]

Thanks guys...I was wondering if I had missed something

[sanch]

ORIGINAL: Yaab

Sometimes it is better to start on 8 Dec 1941 than suffer these losses:

BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 7, and is sunk
SS Narwhal, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 6, and is sunk
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
AVP Swan, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
SS Cachalot, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB California, Bomb hits 13, Torpedo hits 7, and is sunk
DM Tracy, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Allen, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AVD Hulbert, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DM Preble, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
PT-25, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
YO-31, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Tucker, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Jarvis, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

I had one of those - two wrecked BB's and all the others sunk.

[btd64]

ORIGINAL: sanch

ORIGINAL: Yaab

Sometimes it is better to start on 8 Dec 1941 than suffer these losses:

BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 7, and is sunk
SS Narwhal, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 6, and is sunk
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
AVP Swan, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
SS Cachalot, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB California, Bomb hits 13, Torpedo hits 7, and is sunk
DM Tracy, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Allen, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AVD Hulbert, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DM Preble, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
PT-25, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
YO-31, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Tucker, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Jarvis, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

I had one of those - two wrecked BB's and all the others sunk.

Me too, but its been years....GP