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Greetings Lobster,
Interesting video and thanks for posting.
Might be interesting to see if Matrix World in Flames could model this.
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Greetings Lobster,
Interesting video and thanks for posting.
Might be interesting to see if Matrix World in Flames could model this.

Maybe with Days of Decision III.

In Hearts of Iron II, 1936 start, I was able to overthrow Mussolini and join the Allies with a center-left government. I was surprised to see that the names of the various ministers were mostly correct - had the opposition managed not to be hammered by the Fascist Party. The programmers off that game really did a wonderful research job even for remote possibilities.
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I don't swallow the line of argument that Britain could have gone to war with the US. Bad relations with Japan would be a very minor problem compared to that. In fact I can't think of any circumstance in which Britain would risk it short of massive provocation from the US itself.
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Considering the Roosevelt administration had already given the green light to internment of Germans before the war even started it isn't a stretch to say the U.S. was already going to enter on the side of the European Allies. I suppose this is like pissing into the wind but it would be nice to keep this a historical subject. http://expelledgermans.org/germaninternment.htm
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It's extremely unlikely that the US would have joined the Axis but it's much more likely that the US could have stayed neutral during WW1. If that had happened Germany could have won WW1 and Hitler and WW2 might never have happened.
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Good reason to avoid General Topics here. On its worst day with its worst adherents, the America First movement would never have brought the USA into another European War on the side of the Berlin-Rome-Tokyo Axis.

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It's extremely unlikely that the US would have joined the Axis but it's much more likely that the US could have stayed neutral during WW1. If that had happened Germany could have won WW1 and Hitler and WW2 might never have happened.

It's even conceivable that the US would have gone to war against Great Britain, but without joining the Central Powers. Note the War of 1812, where the US did not make an alliance with Napoleon. Britain's total blockade of Germany, and in fact most of Western Europe, was illegal under the Hague Conventions, which did not permit food to be embargoed. The US actually filed a protest against Britain, but it was overlooked after the first round of Germany's unrestricted U-Boat warfare and the sinking of the Lusitania. If the Germans had been more politically sensitive, and the US had attempted to sail a relief convoy to Holland -- well, who knows?
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It was much more likely that the USSR would have joined Germany in WWII. Then think of the situation for Japan . . .
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It was much more likely that the USSR would have joined Germany in WWII. Then think of the situation for Japan . . .

Of course the USSR did join Germany for a while - until Hitler stupidly invaded it. If Germany had not been bogged down on its eastern front it would have had the ability to defend its conquests in Europe until it was ready to use nuclear weapons. Who knows what would have happened then.
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The USSR did not fight Germany against any common enemies other than the invasion of Poland. Think of the Red Army being joined with German forces invading Persia on their way to Iraq and then the Suez Canal as well as into the Indian subcontinent . . .
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The USSR did not fight Germany against any common enemies other than the invasion of Poland. Think of the Red Army being joined with German forces invading Persia on their way to Iraq and then the Suez Canal as well as into the Indian subcontinent . . .

They never would have made it that far, being stopped cold by The Draka out of South Africa long before.
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The USSR did not fight Germany against any common enemies other than the invasion of Poland. Think of the Red Army being joined with German forces invading Persia on their way to Iraq and then the Suez Canal as well as into the Indian subcontinent . . .

They never would have made it that far, being stopped cold by The Draka out of South Africa long before.

Since the Draka do not exist, this would never happen.
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The USSR did not fight Germany against any common enemies other than the invasion of Poland. Think of the Red Army being joined with German forces invading Persia on their way to Iraq and then the Suez Canal as well as into the Indian subcontinent . . .

They never would have made it that far, being stopped cold by The Draka out of South Africa long before.

Since the Draka do not exist, this would never happen.

Alternative history is fantasy, so... no kidding? Also, I was joking about...
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Greetings The Gray Mouser and RangerJoe,
For Alternative history/fantasy could include Call of Cthlulhu WW 2:

Achtung Cthulhu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXvD1HWQjLo

Shadows of Normandie: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/162 ... ng-cthulhu

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I finally watched the You Tube clip from the OP… and that was an hour of my life I won’t get back. I mean what was the point of that? So in order for events to have unfolded as they did, Churchill, Roosevelt and Hitler (to name the main three) would have had to have had their brains, their characters and personalities removed.

There is too much to comment on but three examples:

- Despite everything we know about Hitler and why World War II happened, apparently we are expected to believe that he would have settled for a post war world in which the German position was little further advanced from what it had been in 1939. The Germans – even in this alternate history – lost millions of men on the Eastern Front. But what does Adolf settle for? No oil reserves of the Caucasus, no self-sufficient Germany, but hey that’s okay – they annexed Luxembourg…….

- Apparently Roosevelt was happy to get into bed with Hitler…. Right. However he wouldn’t agree to provide meaningful assistance to the Germans until the Holocaust (Holocaust lite apparently) had begun….. but he would agree to drop nuclear bombs on a country the USA weren’t even directly fighting……

- In real life the British dropped the Japanese like a stone in the early twenties rather than risk their relationship with the USA. But apparently Churchill was so desperate for Japan to provide a couple of brigades and a small naval squadron to help in Europe (perhaps he forgot Japan’s contribution in WWI) he was happy to cheese off Roosevelt and happily go to war with the US. The Canadians would have been gagging for some of that action right? Of course……

Counterfactuals can be really interesting, and fun, to explore. But where is the interest or fun if central to a counterfactual happening is that no one acts in any way shape or form like they did in real life?
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I doubt it was made to be serious. The battle lines for the major actors were already drawn before the first shot was fired in 1939. About as accurate as the scenarios I see where Germany has invaded the U.S. [;)]
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I doubt it was made to be serious. The battle lines for the major actors were already drawn before the first shot was fired in 1939. About as accurate as the scenarios I see where Germany has invaded the U.S. [;)]
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Sure, and I can't speak with any authority on the creators intentions. But it seems they went to quite a bit of effort to produce this and there was nothing funny or (intentionally) amusing about it. So I can only assume this was a serious attempt to explore a counterfactual. If so, I'm afraid it was a sorry waste of time and effort.
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This guy does things like this. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqOF2T ... V6fIv8SWEg

He's probably made money off it. And for people pursuing a hobby it's never wasted time nor effort. I'm certainly not going to fault anyone doing something they enjoy monetary gain or no fact or fantasy. It was entertaining for me and others. Your milage may vary. [:)]
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Not sure this is not a parody account. In one errr, weird video he says he's got 2,73 euros in the bank [:D] A screenshot below from one of his "what if" videos... ROFL

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