4.5 OOB Note and Comment

Hauptmann6 · Post by **Hauptmann6** » Fri Dec 22, 2000 8:31 am

4.5 Looks great so far! My savegames from 4.4 are working without a hitch so far...

The german triple 15mm AA track would have 1 tripple 15mm AA gun not 3 seperate guns. It really hurts having 3 shots at an AC like that...

Haupt

skukko · Post by **skukko** » Fri Dec 22, 2000 3:35 pm

Crews can kill a tank, still. Has there been terrain- or damage that terrain does to vehicle; - changes?

Mosh

Arralen · Post by **Arralen** » Fri Dec 22, 2000 6:58 pm

Originally posted by Hauptmann6:
The german triple 15mm AA track would have 1 tripple 15mm AA gun not 3 seperate guns. It really hurts having 3 shots at an AC like that...

Could you give the exact unit name ?

Arralen

TheOriginalOverlord · Post by **TheOriginalOverlord** » Fri Dec 22, 2000 7:12 pm

IIRC (without looking) It should be the 251/17 AA track. I think.

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Semper Fi!

Overlord

Alby · Post by **Alby** » Fri Dec 22, 2000 11:34 pm

Originally posted by Arralen:
Could you give the exact unit name ?

Arralen

would that be the spw251/21 ??

TheOriginalOverlord · Fri Dec 22, 2000 11:52 pm

Yup Alby is correct... my bad

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Semper Fi!

Overlord

Hauptmann6 · Post by **Hauptmann6** » Sat Dec 23, 2000 12:21 am

It was the 21 IIRC. I was trying to kill them as fast as possible...

Haupt

Blackbird · Post by **Blackbird** » Sat Dec 23, 2000 5:01 pm

Two possible bugs in Soviet OOB:
What's the story with SO Marine Sqd? I didn't find any way to buy them, but it's possible to upgrade to them. And before they were guerrilla, but not any more. Why?

SO Cossack are available only to end of 1941.This sure is a bug since Cossack formations are available to end of 1945.

Joe Osborne · Post by **Joe Osborne** » Sat Dec 23, 2000 7:17 pm

Looks like a problem with USMC 155 Gun Bty (not the 155 How Bty above it) it only contains the 75 mm How OBA no 155 at all....

Joe Osborne

Slayer · Post by **Slayer** » Sat Dec 23, 2000 7:29 pm

I don't think that the Soviet OOB allowed me to buy Heavy AA-guns (76.2mm, 85mm).

Alby · Post by **Alby** » Sat Dec 23, 2000 8:58 pm

Originally posted by Joe Osborne:
Looks like a problem with USMC 155 Gun Bty (not the 155 How Bty above it) it only contains the 75 mm How OBA no 155 at all....

Joe Osborne

Just keep hitting the tab for 155 gun btry, it will appear,Kind of like hitting refresh button, got some myself in game last night,

Charles22 · Post by **Charles22** » Sat Dec 23, 2000 9:21 pm

German OOBs: HS129B-3, 75mm gun on unit. Max. penetration 12????????????????

Same with Ju87G-1. 37mm gun, max. 12 penetration???????????

No wonder the tank busters are lousy!

The Ju88p-1 is more like it. It's max. penetration is 134.

Peregrine Falcon · Post by **Peregrine Falcon** » Sat Dec 23, 2000 9:54 pm

Ouch! That was bad!

Is British tank buster Hurricane there? I think it was missing from the OOBs a little while ago...

Originally posted by Charles22:

Same with Ju87G-1. 37mm gun, max. 12 penetration???????????

No wonder the tank busters are lousy!

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Sat Dec 23, 2000 10:55 pm

Hi guys, I don't know if this is the right place to post a few problems I've noticed.
The game works great but a couple of things from the past are still messed up.

1)The USMC LVT (A)4 (this is the 75mm armored amphibian- pic-0946/sym-165). This can't be bought in the battle generator. You have to go to the scenario editor to buy one, and then you have to use the change vehicle key. It is in the encyclopedia, but never appears in the buy list inventories!
2)The USMC LVT (A)1 (this is the armored amphibian with the M3 tank turret)shows the picture of the LVT 1 Alligator.
3)The pictures of the USMC 75mm M1A1 pack howitzer (sym654/pic8338) and the US Army
75mm M1897A2 howitzer (sym657/pic8338) both
show a blur of color and no picture.
4)Finally the Hungarian K.V.50 tractor shows a jet aircraft out of SP2 or SP3 (looks like a MIG-23 Flogger). It looks like a jet on the ground that drives like a tractor!
I hope these can still be corrected. Thanks
Semper fi
Randy

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Sun Dec 24, 2000 12:38 am

Aircraft use penetration differently - actually the 134 is wrong...

Warhorse · Post by **Warhorse** » Sun Dec 24, 2000 1:01 am

Randy, thanks for catching the tractor thing, I'll see what the problem is tonite! Question; by some strange instance, the shp folder didn't get nested did it? I downloaded it into a temp folder, and noticed both the pic, and shps were in their own folders, make sure this isn't the case!!

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Mike Amos
Meine Ehre Heisst Treue

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Sun Dec 24, 2000 1:32 am

Warhorse, thanks for the info on the tractor
thing. I just loaded the game directly, and
honestly, I don't know that much about the
different folders and have been leery of messing w/ them. Also do you know if the Marnine amtrac thing will get addressed? Its
been that way all along with SPW@W, but not with SP1/SP3! Thanks
Semper Fi
Randy

Warhorse · Post by **Warhorse** » Sun Dec 24, 2000 2:08 am

Hey Randy, if you go into explorer look in the shp folder, see if there is another folder of the same name within that, if it is, just copy the contents out of the second one, and paste into the main shp folder, then delete the nested one. Same with the pic folder, may have just been the way I did it, but will know for sure when I get home tonite, that icon was done awhile back, so it should be in there for sure!!

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Mike Amos
Meine Ehre Heisst Treue

Arralen · Post by **Arralen** » Sun Dec 24, 2000 4:55 am

Originally posted by Charles22:
German OOBs:
HS129B-3, 75mm gun on unit. Max. penetration 12
Same with Ju87G-1. 37mm gun, max. 12 penetration
The Ju88p-1 is more like it. It's max. penetration is 134.

Can't be: Hs 129B-3 and Ju 88P-1 use the same weapon (w#170 - 70mm Bk7.5) which is rated with PenHE134.

Paul Vebber
Aircraft use penetration differently - actually the 134 is wrong...

Chris Paul told pointed out that it was essentially the Pak40 mounted on a plane, so I had to get it somewhere near the values of w#035 (PenAP 134). Maybe a bit overdone, thinking 'bout it now I would say PenHE 100 would have been ok. ?!

Arralen

Arralen · Post by **Arralen** » Sun Dec 24, 2000 5:09 am

Originally posted by Hauptmann6:
The german triple 15mm AA track would have 1 tripple 15mm AA gun not 3 seperate guns.

It's the Spw-251/21.

It does have a triple Mg 151 mount, correct.

There are two different Mg151 in the OOB:

w#220 MG 151/15 range:100 acc:44 w-head:2 Hekill:12 PenHE:27 (AA gun)

w#238 MG 151 range:24 acc:40 wh:2 HEkill:5 PenHe:30 (A/C gun)

The spw251 uses the first one .. in slot 1..3; could be that the HEkill is a bit too high, but have a look at a .50-AA-MG:

range:80 acc:36 wh:1 HEkill:12 PenHE:24

???

Comment please, Paul ?

Arralen