Soviet 152mm M-10 Howitzer & Production Months

[Wiedrock]

The production seems too high when taking the wikipedia figures at face value. Applying those numbers the current production during 1941 is about twice what it should be and the total available is ~40% too high.

Serial production of M-10 was carried out since December 1939 at plants No. 172 in Molotov and No. 235 in Votkinsk.

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In connection with the exception of 152-mm howitzers from the divisional artillery and the abolition of infant corps in the summer - in the autumn of 1941, the production of the gun was completed "for the lack of need."

In addition, 204 M-10T guns were produced for the armament of KV-2 tanks (1939 - 4, 1940-100, 1941-100).

Taking the figure 1939→END of June 1941 we get: 6+601+462=1067
Spawning in GC we have: 655RDY+413DAM=1068 →+184Pool=1252

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Production in GC we have: 55/turn → 605guns

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Gives a total of: 1252+605=1857 ...which is about ~500guns or ~40% more then ever been produced.

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Now, I do not know in how far this gun is supposed to represent/reflect another gun too, since I do not know every Soviet gun which may be similar, but this'd need to be a gun in quite large quantities from the 500 surplus we see, so I doubt it being a replacement in this quantity.
If there is no "representation" then the "correct" figures would need to be:
→ Pool: "0" (as can be seen, the 1939→06/1941 figure are 1068 vs 1067, perfectly matching)
→ Build Limit: "~25" (leading to 275 produced)
→ optional - max imports: 271
...or using another way reachign "correct" figures...

Obv. simplifying that June is 1st halve of 1941 here and assuming Wikipedia is correct.

[Wiedrock]

Well...I though I got it. But apparently this time 08/1941 means it ends 07/1941? Is there difference between AFVs, Planes and Guns on that date system?! ...I rly thought I understood the system....

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....but still ~60 produced too many

[Wiedrock]

Well...I though I got it. But apparently this time 08/1941 means it ends 07/1941? Is there difference between AFVs, Planes and Guns on that date system?! ...I rly thought I understood the system....

The System differs...like srsly?
AFV 03/1944 means it still produces in 03/1944? (that's what I thought)
Gun 08/1941 means it DOES NOT PRODUCE in 08/1941? WTF!

[Wiedrock]

This are the "correct" production figures ([45] or [46+271max]). Accepting that the game uses at least 2 different systems for end dates of production.

[Denniss]

End date should work the same for all types in which the last month should be the last production month. At least this was so in WitE/WitW and I doubt this has changed. Unless it's some kind of bug.
The only option production ends earlier should be with a saturated import limit.

[Wiedrock]

End date should work the same for all types in which the last month should be the last production month. At least this was so in WitE/WitW and I doubt this has changed. Unless it's some kind of bug.
The only option production ends earlier should be with a saturated import limit.

That's what I hoped it'd be.

leFH18 ends 12/1941 but there will not be any production in December 1941 (2 different games: T26=500 or 506, T27=500 or 506).
Then the M-10 Howitzer (of this post) ends 08/1941 but there will not be any production in August 1941.
sPzB41 it's the same, ending 12/1943 but not having production in December 1943 (being 18/week vs ~1600 Pool isn't caused by the 100-turns production in pool-limit).

And then the AFVs and Planes, which keep producing till end of month.
T34 (see example posted before).
Pz IIIL end Month 06/1942 → T52: June 14th=1032 → T53: June 21st=1075.
He 177A-3 end month 12/1943 → T130: December 12th=590 → T131: December 19th=600
...to name some.

Now I know why I initially was like not knowing wtf was going on when tryign to figure it out, since there's two systems.

[Denniss]

unless its december 31 then production stops a week earlier, may also be on other 31st day of a month as that somehow bleeds into the next month for whatever reason.
The german AT-Rifle is produced up to its end date. Maybe because it does not have a turn build limit? or different class?

[Wiedrock]

The german AT-Rifle is produced up to its end date. Maybe because it does not have a turn build limit? or different class?

I'd assume it has to do with the "build limt X" vs "need" production (since all the Squads work the same as the AFVs/Planes) ...at least I think ....or not.... (due to the usually high Pools hard to say)

unless its december 31 then production stops a week earlier, may also be on other 31st day of a month as that somehow bleeds into the next month for whatever reason.

Not exactly sure what you mean. If you say that the week dated 31st of a month counts towards the "old month" then I agree (when it comes to AFVs/Planes).

The following is what I came up with (after looking at several (IIRC AFV's production)), the Month number indicates towards which "month" the turn counts and as I found it was always the first day of the week (so the date shown in the game) deciding which month a turn counts towards.
...but I also remember some oddities specifically on year switches but can't say for sure anymore.

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Tell me if something is wrong with that/opposes how you understand it working.