Possible to shut down oil production (DEI)

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Possible to shut down oil production (DEI)

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I've just started a new game as the Allies vs the Japanese. My priority as the Dutch is to 1) utilize Dutch and Allied tankers to ship out the existing oil to Australia to prevent its use by the Japanese when they inevitably conquer the DEI and 2) Shut down production of refineries and, if possible, oil wells themselves.

My questions are as follows:
1) Is it a worthwhile endeavor and good compensation for risk to tankers to run these missions evacuating the oil on hand? I.e. does it make any difference?
2) Is it possible somehow to turn off oil production? I am able to use the GUI to shut down production on the refineries, but my clicks are futile as to the oil production itself which remains "On"
3) Is there anything I am missing that I could do to accomplish these objectives? I assume there is no way to just sabotage the facilities as the Dutch did historically.
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If you open the industrial screen, at the top there's a refinery tab. Click it and all of your refineries will come up. Go down the list and shut off what you want. I would advise you to turn off all Australia and New Zealand high industry as well. As it eats fuel....GP
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1. There is no way to "shut off" the oil production.
2. Removing oil and fuel from the DEI is always a good move.
3. Running ships at "full speed" in the DEI region helps to use fuel but causes some additional damage to your ships.
4. A strategy of keeping Allied bombers within range of DEI oil wells may pay off if your opponent doesn't protect them from attacks after they are captured. Your bombers can cause damage to the oil fields and refineries. Japan will have to use precious supply to rebuild damaged oil fields and refineries. You cannot attack oil fields or refineries that are under your control.
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A further tactic is to station engineers at a refinery and that way when the Japanese attack and take it, the engineers are the ones who destroy elements of the refinery The more engineers, the heavier the havoc caused. Besides bombing it once in Japanese hands, it's the only way I know that will inflict loss on the refinery.... but it's only temporary. Shutting down "repair" only stops repairing damage inflicted by Jap forces.
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Aerosol2207 wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 1:22 pm I've just started a new game as the Allies vs the Japanese. My priority as the Dutch is to 1) utilize Dutch and Allied tankers to ship out the existing oil to Australia to prevent its use by the Japanese when they inevitably conquer the DEI and 2) Shut down production of refineries and, if possible, oil wells themselves.
I'm just going to summarize what others have already said for clarity.
Aerosol2207 wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 1:22 pm My questions are as follows:
1) Is it a worthwhile endeavor and good compensation for risk to tankers to run these missions evacuating the oil on hand? I.e. does it make any difference?
Since the capture of the oil fields is most IJ players No.1 priority, you will have only about 45 days to try to do this. Against good players, that number can be MUCH less. Your biggest challenge is that so few of your TK/AO vessels are actually in position to do so, you would have to re-locate a large portion of your fleet. Your second biggest challenge is that you actually don't have a real excess of TK/AO types yourself and this is one your very few vessel types that you don't actually get tons of replacements.
If you look carefully at the map, at where your TK/AO's are, how large and fast they are, and where you have to move oil/fuel to so that it is out of IJ hands (India or OZ), you will see that while you can certainly move some, it isn't all that much.
The answer is sure, you should try, and your main target for this should be OZ which is always short of oil/fuel. But both Darwin and Perth are a long trip. You can get 2 trips to Darwin in and then maybe a final one to Perth before you are done. Tally this up and you will see that your impact upon IJ is pretty small. You will however, help OZ for a couple of months. Maybe.
How many TK/AO's you will lose though will depend upon the IJ players reactions ... and how many are you willing to lose? The IJ player may be happy to allow you this opportunity for him to get to your precious TK/AO fleet.
Aerosol2207 wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 1:22 pm 2) Is it possible somehow to turn off oil production? I am able to use the GUI to shut down production on the refineries, but my clicks are futile as to the oil production itself which remains "On"
Oil production, like Resource production cannot be stopped by the player. Refineries, LI and HI can be stopped.
Aerosol2207 wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 1:22 pm 3) Is there anything I am missing that I could do to accomplish these objectives? I assume there is no way to just sabotage the facilities as the Dutch did historically.
All Engr devices, either separate units or organic to a larger unit, in combat mode at the defending base will increase the chances of sabotage during battle. The IJ players know this and they also know that you start with very few of these and they are out of position. You are racing the IJ player on this, and is the key impetus for them to take the oil fields ASAP.


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Thanks everybody. Looking ahead to the future occupation of the DEI, just so I understand, is "Ground Attack" the mission type I would select for bombers if my objective is to inflict damage on the facilities?
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No that hits troop concentrations, I believe you want city attack....IIRC.
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dr.hal wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:43 pm No that hits troop concentrations, I believe you want city attack....IIRC.
Thanks Dr. Hal. That makes way more sense, I remember now. I've just never gotten past late 42 in a campaign where I started doing city attacks.
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no problem, I too have seldom get that far, although my current game is in June '44...
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Aerosol2207 wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:44 pm
dr.hal wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 4:43 pm No that hits troop concentrations, I believe you want city attack....IIRC.
Thanks Dr. Hal. That makes way more sense, I remember now. I've just never gotten past late 42 in a campaign where I started doing city attacks.
Keep in mind that when you order a "city attack" you will be given choices depending on locations. You have to select "oil" or "refinery" and do a few clicks to get the orders to your bombers. Just make sure that your bombers have the right orders on their unit screens.
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2) Is it possible somehow to turn off oil production? I am able to use the GUI to shut down production on the refineries, but my clicks are futile as to the oil production itself which remains "On"
Oil production, like Resource production cannot be stopped by the player. Refineries, LI and HI can be stopped.

LI cannot be stopped.
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Lifer wrote: Sun Nov 02, 2025 1:01 pm 2) Is it possible somehow to turn off oil production? I am able to use the GUI to shut down production on the refineries, but my clicks are futile as to the oil production itself which remains "On"
Oil production, like Resource production cannot be stopped by the player. Refineries, LI and HI can be stopped.

LI cannot be stopped.
LI cannot be stopped by the side that owns it and it will even run with enemy troops in the hex - but- the resource production stops and if LI runs out of resources, it stops.
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Aerosol2207 wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 1:22 pm I've just started a new game as the Allies vs the Japanese. My priority as the Dutch is to 1) utilize Dutch and Allied tankers to ship out the existing oil to Australia to prevent its use by the Japanese when they inevitably conquer the DEI and 2) Shut down production of refineries and, if possible, oil wells themselves.

My questions are as follows:
1) Is it a worthwhile endeavor and good compensation for risk to tankers to run these missions evacuating the oil on hand? I.e. does it make any difference?
Oil loads slowly in Palembang. Use small tankers for loading oil. I try to use those with 5500 capacities.
Aerosol2207 wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 1:22 pm 2) Is it possible somehow to turn off oil production? I am able to use the GUI to shut down production on the refineries, but my clicks are futile as to the oil production itself which remains "On"
No.
Aerosol2207 wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 1:22 pm 3) Is there anything I am missing that I could do to accomplish these objectives? I assume there is no way to just sabotage the facilities as the Dutch did historically.
There is no need to sabotage. Palembang's port is so small that as Allies you suffer fuel spoilage there already in December 1941.
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Yaab wrote: Mon Nov 03, 2025 3:35 pm
Aerosol2207 wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 1:22 pm I've just started a new game as the Allies vs the Japanese. My priority as the Dutch is to 1) utilize Dutch and Allied tankers to ship out the existing oil to Australia to prevent its use by the Japanese when they inevitably conquer the DEI and 2) Shut down production of refineries and, if possible, oil wells themselves.

3) Is there anything I am missing that I could do to accomplish these objectives? I assume there is no way to just sabotage the facilities as the Dutch did historically.
There is no need to sabotage. Palembang's port is so small that as Allies you suffer fuel spoilage there already in December 1941.
You can not direct the sabotage but that is what any surviving engineers would do in the hex, besides any damage from the fighting. Shock attacks by the enemy seem to do more damage to the industry.

BTW, depending upon your House Rules (HRs) you can load fuel onto regular cargo ships but they can only hold oil in liquid tanks. The fuel is loaded at 50% for a full load instead of 100% for dry cargo loads.
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