Can the Chinese troops hold back the japanese.

[CMDRMCTOAST]

I was wondering if the Chinese troops can hold back the japanese onlsought
or should they be pulled back to a more central position?
I have been reinforcing my outer positions to try to match the japanese
troop strength and started attacking hanoi with fresh troops to hopefully
divert and disrupt some of thier forces towards this area, it is still early in the games
january of 42 so I am not sure if this is a good move or not.

any advice on the chinese is most welcome.[:)]

[Raverdave]

Nope, it is a waste of troops to try and hold the Japanese (unless you are playing against the AI). The best thing to do is to simply withdraw back into the heartland of China and wait for about two years then attack.

[Ron Saueracker]

I've had no luck in PBEMs aside from pulling back and letting Japan drown itself in it's conquests...kinda like the endless steppes of Russia. Let's see if Dave (2nd ACR) drubs my little guys as well.

[mogami]

Hi, As Japan I just allow the Chinese to pile onto me. Then I use bombard attacks every turn. Kill at least 1k Chinese every turn. As long as I know where they are at and I am killing them for free I don't worry about them. I advance to the forward supply bases and then let the Chinese come to me so I can shell them. One of these days I might decide to push them back but there is no hurry.

[CMDRMCTOAST]

Thanks for the advice I guess the best I can hope for now is to
slow there advances and withdraw piecemeal but they seam to be
holding there own in yenan and such although the supply issue will
kill that plan I guess.

[Mr.Frag]

You still working on your "China has fangs" version Mog?

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, As Japan I just allow the Chinese to pile onto me. Then I use bombard attacks every turn. Kill at least 1k Chinese every turn. As long as I know where they are at and I am killing them for free I don't worry about them. I advance to the forward supply bases and then let the Chinese come to me so I can shell them. One of these days I might decide to push them back but there is no hurry.

How far have you advanced to Mog? Sounds like a reasonable approach as Japan...don't get greedy and spread yourself too thin.

[CMDRMCTOAST]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, As Japan I just allow the Chinese to pile onto me. Then I use bombard attacks every turn. Kill at least 1k Chinese every turn. As long as I know where they are at and I am killing them for free I don't worry about them. I advance to the forward supply bases and then let the Chinese come to me so I can shell them. One of these days I might decide to push them back but there is no hurry.

This seams to be what everybody is doing to me there now so me thinks it is time
to shift towards burma then.
I wonder if reinforcing burma with the chinese troops would be a better plan
then and help slow an india approach?

[Captain Ed]

Hi Tom just capitulate in China so I can get on with the war[:D][:D][:D]

[CMDRMCTOAST]

I am working on your demise as we speak.

[ZOOMIE1980]

ORIGINAL: CMDRMCTOAST

I was wondering if the Chinese troops can hold back the japanese onlsought
or should they be pulled back to a more central position?
I have been reinforcing my outer positions to try to match the japanese
troop strength and started attacking hanoi with fresh troops to hopefully
divert and disrupt some of thier forces towards this area, it is still early in the games
january of 42 so I am not sure if this is a good move or not.

any advice on the chinese is most welcome.[:)]

Assuming the Allies are playing a human Japanese player here, as anything can be done vs the AI. In fact, the Japanese AI in China, essentially does nothing.

Vs a human Japansese player you cannot hold most of the central rail, however you should be able to hold some of the spur endpoints like Ichang and Sian. In fact Sian is essential to hold and it can be done. You also make the going very, very tough on the Japanese in Hengchow, and Kwelin. Those formations along the rail near Hanoi can be tough to dislodge as well. You can hold the Japanese at bay through much of 1942 and what they take they will take only with great cost.

[CMDRMCTOAST]

Ya I am only playing human apponants and your plan seams to be what I am
starting to shift towards as the number of troops for the japanese is
growing a little to much for me to hold off in the outer areas.
so a slow retreat and make him stretch out more is a better option now.

[sveint]

China is very dangerous to Japan if played correctly...

[CobraAus]

playing against AI hard level
Have taken Hanoi and Hue now serverl jap bases to the north now moving further down into Vietnam hoping to link up and support the brits and indians how are haveing a bad time

all so playing with russia on and kicking jap but

Cobra Aus

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: sveint

China is very dangerous to Japan if played correctly...

Ya can't just leave a statement like that![X(] Expound boy![:D] Ya really live in Tahiti?

[Knaust]

hi Toast, stay there mate with your Chinese troops at Hanoi...I have plenty of rice for them[:'(]

[esteban]

It's tough to hold Yunan, Changsha and the railway from Hong Kong to Changsha, but you can move a lot of troops from Chungking towards the front, and when they arrive things stabilize a lot.

One thing to remember as China in a PBEM game, DO NOT strip your rear bases of all infanty units. A smart Japanese player will use his parachute units to take anything that you just leave protected by base forces. Having Lanchow, Sian, Chungking or your key supply line bases captured by paras would be pretty painful.

[Xargun]

ORIGINAL: esteban

It's tough to hold Yunan, Changsha and the railway from Hong Kong to Changsha, but you can move a lot of troops from Chungking towards the front, and when they arrive things stabilize a lot.

One thing to remember as China in a PBEM game, DO NOT strip your rear bases of all infanty units. A smart Japanese player will use his parachute units to take anything that you just leave protected by base forces. Having Lanchow, Sian, Chungking or your key supply line bases captured by paras would be pretty painful.

I took Yunan by air in one of my PBeM games but could only hold it for a couple turns until my opponent showed up with a division (whatever the chinese divisions are called) and shocked me out of it.. My men are now on the road east of Yunan, still cutting off supply to several forward Chinese bases.

Its a nice trick - if you can get it to work.. Be careful though, recon flights are not very accurate... I've lost a lot of paras that way.. Set those stupid Babs at 1000 feet and send them in for several turns, before sending in the paras..

Xargun

[PeteG662]

To put a fly in the ointment set the preparation hex as one of the cities the Japanese hold then move there slowly with a large group and get into the city. While the Japanese can bombard, ala Mogami, they also take losses which adds up in the long run as you are draining strategic resources that can be used elsewhere. The OVERALL picture is the key. Use China to bleed Japan and it helps elsewhere.

[sveint]

Ya can't just leave a statement like that! Expound boy!

You've got a billion free, regenerating "divisions". The key is to block the Japanese at key cities and use the rest of your forces to harass his interior. He'll be busy protecting his supply lines and if he advances too far he will even risk a "Stalingrad".

On the other hand, if China concentrates or lets him self get (repeatedly) encircled, it's possible for Japan to win too. Seems balanced so far to me.

Ya really live in Tahiti?

Yes. Stuck in traffic on my way to work every morning too (bet that dispelled some notions).