1943 Campaign and aircraft problems

[thebeis]

Hello,
1943 Campaign. Version 1.21. Game started after patching.
At Anchorage, I received 3 partial air units VBF-13/1, /2. /3. these units all came in with 9 planes and zero pilots. They now have 9 planes 4 or 5 pilots each and 25 planes in reserve. There is no button to rebuild unit. There are no other VBF-13 sub-units that I can find on the map or in the replacement que.

Any ideas?

[Mr.Frag]

Join them up with their main body.

Either load them on a ship, or move the main body to them.

[thebeis]

Mr. Frag,
Thanks.... That is what I would do if I could find the "main body" or the "parent" unit.

No other VBF-13 exists on the map or in the replacement que.

Also the same problem now exists at Pearl Harbor. There are three partial VBF units there that are doing the same thing. They don't have any "main body' or "parent" units either.

[PeteG662]

would a withdraw or disband work here to get rid of a few or is the aircraft capacity an issue? I know that only partially cures it since they are still separated from the "parent" unit.

[Mr.Frag]

Also the same problem now exists at Pearl Harbor. There are three partial VBF units there that are doing the same thing. They don't have any "main body' or "parent" units either.

So there is no main group without the /# ?

Thats a problem [:(]

Send me the save please.

[PeteG662]

This could happen if multiple transports were transporting the unit in pieces and the one with the "parent" unit was sunk, correct?

[Mr.Frag]

This could happen if multiple transports were transporting the unit in pieces and the one with the "parent" unit was sunk, correct?

No, when this happens, the remaining part should become the "parent" unit. If it does not happen, you end up with a vanishing unit (units that unload then disappear as soon as the unload has completed)

There *MUST* be a parent unit at ALL times for everything on the map.

The bugs around this generally come from the election process not getting called when a parent dies in a new and strange manner.

[Chris21wen]

The parent could be already loaded on a transport. I've noticed the LCU loaded don't appear on the full LCU list, but i'm not sure about air units.

[Mr.Frag]

Just checked ... Air Unit parents when loaded on an AK will show up in the List all naval aircraft report.

The fragments being at a Land base will show up on the List all land aircraft report.

[Chris21wen]

Thanks. Might be a good idea to do that with the LCUs.

[Mr.Frag]

Good point ... but that list be long! [:D]

[Chris21wen]

Sure is but then there's filters.

[Mr.Frag]

Sure is but then there's filters.

Already added to the list of *stuff* [;)]

[kayjay]

This is needed often times a LCU/3 peice is left and its parent on a Transport and you have to cycle thru all troop carrying TFs to find where to send the fragment, or wait till parent arrives and appears on land unit list.

[thebeis]

Hello again,

Some further information.

I was paying close attention to and I noticed that a statement similar too:"36 Hellcat aircraft arrive at Pearl Harbor"

During my next turn lo and behold. Another VF-XX/1 squadron of 36 Hellcats had appeared at Pearl with out a parent unit anywhere else on the map.

This new squadron had zero pilots and 36 Hellcats.

So I guess these partial squadrons without parent units are truly replacement aircraft that are meant to be disbanded/withdrawn into existing squadrons. Notice however that they are carrier trained and this makes it very hard to disband/withdraw them.


However, the upgrade now buttons are not active and in 8/44 there are no more SBD units on the map. Thus the VBF-XX/1 squadron of 9 aircraft with 125 in reserve will never be used. No way to make them active.

[Twotribes]

Have you checked your carriers?

[kayjay]

Replacement sqn always have an 'R" in their name and never seem go have a parent. GIve them a few days and the pilots will show up.

[Captain Cruft]

VF and VBF are carrier groups, like TwoTribes said ... Are there any Essex's stuck out in the middle of the ocean?

[Chris21wen]

Strange I'm playing scenario12, 1943 and I've just had 3 SBD air units turn up in Lunga. VBF 10/1, VBF 15/1 and VBF 8/1 each containing 36 planes. I've not lost any carriers in the game, I checked all the carriers and there are no parents.

[Chris21wen]

I've just checked scenario 12 database through the editor. All three SBD air units are shown as belong to the Enterprise (VBF 10), Essex (VBF-15), and Bunker Hill (VBF 8). All the carriers are on the map undamaged with a full compliment of aircraft (36 x VF, 36 x VB and 18 x VT) If you add the other air units each carrier would have 126 A/C on it?

Seem to be a problem with the database.