Digital Download

[Charles2222]

I downloaded WITP some time back, and I've heard a few things about this process, which I have no idea if they are tRUe or not, so please clarify the following:

A) You are given 30 days to burn another copy to a cd. Why not afterwards? And how could I have been sure I wouldn't be charged again?

B) The download to your computer, if burned to a cd, if then installed to a computer without WITP (say it was unistalled by accident) will not work properly.

I'm hoping I can burn a copy to my cd, and within the 30 days of the purchase I wasn't versed on burning cd's so I did nothing. Will burning this to a cd later succeed should it need by installed from that cd again?

Thanks.

[Hexed Gamer]

My thoughts Charles (for what they are worth).

If you get the download, FIRST burn to cd, then install. If all goes well, you have just established your cd is just fine for installing.

A cd should be able to reinstall a file till hell freezes over if it was able to do it once (assumes the cd is never damaged).

I think the 30 day thing though, is likely you have 30 days from payment to get around to actually getting your first download.
But not being a Matrix Official, I reserve the right to be incorrect on that

I think the 30 day thing is just their way of saying get around to your download, so you can get around to safely burning it to cd. Because if you have not gotten around to your download in 30 days, you might have trouble getting access to the download, and thus by extension, you would have trouble getting it to a cd as well.

I think the only REAL important thing with a Digital Download, is to keep the serial number safe. Because if you need to get a patch file, odds are no serial, no patch file (if I am not mistaken).
I doubt the 30 days has anything to do with that.

[W Thorne_MatrixForum]

I bought WitP when it first came out, early July. Kept the email and serial number. Then when they updated the download to 1.21 I was able to go in and redownload again. This was about 90 days later. Burned the download to a CD. Deleted the first patched version and then reinstalled v1.21.

Not sure if it is suppose to work like that or not. But I like it since I now have the full game at 1.21. Don't have to worry about reinstalling and then adding the two patches.

Be interesting to see if I can do this when the 1.3 patch comes out. Overall I really like the DD option. Don't really need a box and I print the manual at work.

[Hexed Gamer]

and I print the manual at work.

I always love that part hehe

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: Hexed Gamer

My thoughts Charles (for what they are worth).

If you get the download, FIRST burn to cd, then install. If all goes well, you have just established your cd is just fine for installing.

A cd should be able to reinstall a file till hell freezes over if it was able to do it once (assumes the cd is never damaged).

I think the 30 day thing though, is likely you have 30 days from payment to get around to actually getting your first download.
But not being a Matrix Official, I reserve the right to be incorrect on that

I think the 30 day thing is just their way of saying get around to your download, so you can get around to safely burning it to cd. Because if you have not gotten around to your download in 30 days, you might have trouble getting access to the download, and thus by extension, you would have trouble getting it to a cd as well.

I think the only REAL important thing with a Digital Download, is to keep the serial number safe. Because if you need to get a patch file, odds are no serial, no patch file (if I am not mistaken).
I doubt the 30 days has anything to do with that.

Unfortunately I downloaded it with WITP's inception (6 months ago?) and it went direct to the computer instead of a cd. I don't see why it couldn't take the original zip file that's in my zip directory and burn that to the cd and then unzip it off the cd and it work, but some people reported that there was something wrong in that process. IIRC it would install but then the game wouldn't play. I do have my serial number and all that jazz, but if it won't work for sure the way I'm planning to do it (burn the zip to cd) then I might want to get in on getting it burned direct to cd. I'm sure not going to pay for it twice.

[Hexed Gamer]

Well logic would seem, that if you downloaded at all, if you have a valid serial number, then it would seem you could gain access to a fresh download if you required it.

But that is me thinking it would seem logical, and in no way able to be taken as matter of fact.

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: Hexed Gamer

Well logic would seem, that if you downloaded at all, if you have a valid serial number, then it would seem you could gain access to a fresh download if you required it.

But that is me thinking it would seem logical, and in no way able to be taken as matter of fact.

Yeah, I think I can see your reasoning, that if part of the download included the serial number, then would they have the nerve to charge you again (especially since I got no merchandise whatsoever)? So my immediate question is wouldn't that encourage pirating in some way? Perhaps if it 'only' works to install off a cd, if the download was direct to it, then that would make pirating much more cumbersome than someone just making multiple copies off whereever the data may have been put, but $80 is very steep for a 'guess'. I just put about $2700 into fixing my car and so tis not the season for guessing. I hope somebody really knows the deal here, because I'm sure not going to take the chance and then try to explain myself afterwards should another $80 be charged me.

[Hexed Gamer]

Well I can't claim to actually know the process by which the serial number is transmitted to the user, so I am unable to comment there.

If it is stuck inside the file though, that would be about as foolish as foolish gets, and would invalidate any right for Matrix Games to complain about pirating if you ask me.

I have seen this game out (for download) there in version 1.00 form.
But we all know the game has already experienced a need for patches and received same.
Any 1.0 file that is unpatchable (due to no serial) won't be worth squat to anyone that actually wants this game seriously.
How it was obtained is an unknown to me, but clearly someone was happy enough to buy it then give it away.

[ravinhood]

ORIGINAL: Hexed Gamer

and I print the manual at work.

I always love that part hehe

Now, see, there is another form of PIRACY, do you guys "own" these companies that you are printing your "personal" properties using the companies printers and paper? Huh? Are you? Yeah, uh huh, caught yah didn't I? hahaha

I bet you guys take pens and pencils home with you to without even a second thought that this is stealing eh?

[Hexed Gamer]

Show me a guy that claims to have never "taken" something from anyone, and I will claim that the person is either in addition to being a thief like the rest of us, also a liar, or has indeed been living in a remote area cut off from the world and under a rock

Everybody is guilty of something.

I have a friend that worked for HP. He didn't borrow company paper, he went the other route and just got free cartridges
Most companies would rather just look good, or not bother with the occasional person that "claimed" they had not received an item or that the item was defective.
When his cartridge is empty, he simply phones up and claims there is something wrong with his cartridge. Being that he knows he key phrases to utter, its no trouble getting new ones mailed to him.
"My cartridge won't print". Well that is a normal condition for empty ones, but he always seems to miss mentioning that detail hehe.

When you consider, two sets of cartridges for an atypical decent printer, cost as much as an atypcal decent printer. You basically have a choice on your third set of cartridges, buy yet another set, or go a bit further and get your new cartridges packaged in a printer instead of a small box
75 bucks in my case, and I paid 100 after the 50 dollar rebate for my printer scanner.
So the pinter scanner was really just an odd way to sell me ink cartridges eh.
And they are already 2 models past the design of my unit, which I have only had less than a year.

Yeah I know, what in the bloody hell has that to do with anything

I still want to know what would possess a guy to pay for the download of version 1.0 of WitP, and then give it away, so that someone could laugh at him for paying for it when they didn't.

[dinsdale]

I think Ravinhood's point was that there is outrage, anywhere from mild to rabid, regarding game piracy, yet so many here and in the WiTP forum so casually mention printing things out at work. It's interesting from the point of view that only some forms of theft are worthy of internet outrage

[Hexed Gamer]

Well I have never been a fan of white lies either.

Theft is always theft.

It doesn't matter if it is rolls of toilet paper from work or gold bullion in a heist.

Now granted, being caught with 5 milion in stolen gold is likely going to get you in more trouble, than an illegal copy of the latest game on your computer.

But theft is always theft.

Theft by any amount hurts everyone.
But really, it likely hurts the thief the most.
Well assuming you think it hurts their karma and damages their soul.

I have myself, never appreciated anything I got without a lot of effort.
I appreciate my Steel Panthers more these days for instance, because I volunteered a bit of my time to help contribute to it. Not that I didn't like it before. But today, I am perhaps a bit happier with it.

[W Thorne_MatrixForum]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

ORIGINAL: Hexed Gamer

and I print the manual at work.

I always love that part hehe

Now, see, there is another form of PIRACY, do you guys "own" these companies that you are printing your "personal" properties using the companies printers and paper? Huh? Are you?

Yes.

[ravinhood]

ORIGINAL: dinsdale

I think Ravinhood's point was that there is outrage, anywhere from mild to rabid, regarding game piracy, yet so many here and in the WiTP forum so casually mention printing things out at work. It's interesting from the point of view that only some forms of theft are worthy of internet outrage

Well my point is that, there seems to be "levels" of "allowed" stealing and piracy outside of internet gaming piracy. That was my point. Seems it's ok to steal a 19 cent or 30 cent pen or a few 100 printed sheets of printing paper, that's trivial right? heh, But, add up all those "trivial" thefts over time and what have you got? Nothing more than game piracy in the long term, because stealing is stealing, there really is no level, but, everyone has their limits of what "they perceive" to be stealing and piracy I suppose.

[Hexed Gamer]

Part of theft prevention is who gets to prevent the theft as well.

Who here actually DOES drive the speed limit?

I travel on the 400 series here in Ontario, and the speed limit is what is posted, and it sure isn't what everyone is doing.

So say you are a cop in a car, what, are you just supposed tp pull over every single car that goes past the speed limit?
Technically the answer is yes. Speeding is a chargable offense.
If it says 100 kilometers per hour, then 120 is a speeding violation.
But I have yet to EVER see someone pulled over for speeding on the 400 series.

Cops can't be everywhere though, and they know it and we know it.
And the courts can't handle EVERY case, and we know it and they know it.

It's not entirely about how it's wrong, it's about whether any can do anything about it too.

We speak of pandora's box in many comments.
Way back when the first game was ported off the table and onto a computer, the seed was sown for games to become increasingly capable of being digital and as digital data, increasingly capable of being easily transported and copied.

People can say what they wish about the future of board games, but one reality of them hasn't changed, if you want a copy, you have to buy it.
You can't download for instance ASL (yes I know about VASL).

Our cleverness is often only so clever.

[riverbravo]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

ORIGINAL: Hexed Gamer

and I print the manual at work.

I always love that part hehe

Now, see, there is another form of PIRACY, do you guys "own" these companies that you are printing your "personal" properties using the companies printers and paper? Huh? Are you? Yeah, uh huh, caught yah didn't I? hahaha

I bet you guys take pens and pencils home with you to without even a second thought that this is stealing eh?

Pens,Pencils,T-shirts,notepads, the only thing that is a no no is a comp book.And they are only used when the computers are down.And of course cheques,checks or better known to you loser gamblers as chips.

Yeah yeah yeah,I know it doesnt matter if they have a warehouse full of this crap,stealing is stealing but some companies gives this crap away to employees.This way you never have an excuse for not having a pen.

When I was a dealer I would always ask for use of one of the copy machines and the only thing they would ask is how long I would be on it so they would know not to bother if all the machines were in use.Once I got to promoted and started wearing a suit nobody ever even batted an eye.

But this is for a major corporation...I can see were a small business can get really nuked by this kind of stuff.Just the ink for my little printer at home makes me sick.

[Hexed Gamer]

Sometimes the best offense is a good defense at work.

Mother tells me of her working at a store that sold ice cream when she was young.
Free ice cream to staff eh.
You eat a handful of free ice creams and soon you are sick of the stuff and just plain don't want any more hehe.

That never worked on me when I was night shift at a convenience store though
I always managed to drop a small handful of cashews on the floor while refilling the bin (nudge nudge wink wink say no more), and some of the oatmeal cookies always ended up broken it seems

Best way to get your staff to actually give a hoot about a business, is to make the success of the business worth something to them though. Not easy for single mom and pop options though.

[dinsdale]

ORIGINAL: riverbravo
But this is for a major corporation...I can see were a small business can get really nuked by this kind of stuff.Just the ink for my little printer at home makes me sick.

Would that mean that pirating software from EA was ok? They're a large corporation, they probably wouldn't notice either.

[Hexed Gamer]

ORIGINAL: dinsdale

ORIGINAL: riverbravo
But this is for a major corporation...I can see were a small business can get really nuked by this kind of stuff.Just the ink for my little printer at home makes me sick.

Would that mean that pirating software from EA was ok? They're a large corporation, they probably wouldn't notice either.

Sometimes I wonder about you guys hehe

Of coooooooorse it's not ok (err was that the answer I was supposed to give?).

[riverbravo]

ORIGINAL: dinsdale

ORIGINAL: riverbravo
But this is for a major corporation...I can see were a small business can get really nuked by this kind of stuff.Just the ink for my little printer at home makes me sick.

Would that mean that pirating software from EA was ok? They're a large corporation, they probably wouldn't notice either.

We could go on and on on this one.

I dont see the harm in printing out a few pages of a manual from an office.If you use the office for full a on hundred and fifty page pages color strategy guide or something then thats a bit much.But printing a couple of prime pages for a friend is not a big deal.