Japanese Mortar Issu

[IKerensky]

I got some pb with the 50mm Japanese Knee Morter in my Japanese Long War Campaign. In fact the pb is not for me but for my opponent.
I found that the in-squad 50mm mortar provided to SNFL squads and * suqad is for too much accurate.
At 6 hex the first shot is usually with a 60% hit probability, really high for a lobbed weapon. And that became even worst with the elite SNFL troups and there FD of 4.
It would be quite logical that it is easy to lob a shell on a 50meter square 300 meters away but even on a small target like a sniper, or a moving light tank the % is still really high from first shoot on .
In fact it is really really more accurate to shoot light tank than the AT rifle. Something that looks quite wrong to me.

I know that his pesky 13mm penetration will not be a big deal when I will be facing heavy armored british or US troups. But the capability to blow on the first shoot any light tank or APC seems a bit too much.

Can someone else have a look at this for version 5.02 ?

P.S. Sven please no funny comment, it just tend to make thread less readable.

[ June 16, 2001: Message edited by: Ivan GREYWOLF Kerensky ]

[sven]

Originally posted by Ivan GREYWOLF Kerensky:
I got some pb with the 50mm Japanese Knee Morter in my Japanese Long War Campaign. In fact the pb is not for me but for my opponent.
I found that the in-squad 50mm mortar provided to SNFL squads and * suqad is for too much accurate.
At 6 hex the first shot is usually with a 60% hit probability, really high for a lobbed weapon. And that became even worst with the elite SNFL troups and there FD of 4.
It would be quite logical that it is easy to lob a shell on a 50meter square 300 meters away but even on a small target like a sniper, or a moving light tank the % is still really high from first shoot on .
In fact it is really really more accurate to shoot light tank than the AT rifle. Something that looks quite wrong to me.

I know that his pesky 13mm penetration will not be a big deal when I will be facing heavy armored british or US troups. But the capability to blow on the first shoot any light tank or APC seems a bit too much.

Can someone else have a look at this for version 5.02 ?

P.S. Sven please no funny comment, it just tend to make thread less readable.

[ June 16, 2001: Message edited by: Ivan GREYWOLF Kerensky ]

Ivan i think you are probably right about the mortars being too good. Why don't you e-mail warhorse? You could also wait in the chat area and see if he pops in.

regards,
sven

p.s. I seldom mock serious, reasonable points: and I am NEVER funny.

[Peregrine Falcon]

Originally posted by Ivan GREYWOLF Kerensky:
I got some pb with the 50mm Japanese Knee Morter in my Japanese Long War Campaign. In fact the pb is not for me but for my opponent.
I found that the in-squad 50mm mortar provided to SNFL squads and * suqad is for too much accurate.
At 6 hex the first shot is usually with a 60% hit probability, really high for a lobbed weapon. And that became even worst with the elite SNFL troups and there FD of 4.
It would be quite logical that it is easy to lob a shell on a 50meter square 300 meters away but even on a small target like a sniper, or a moving light tank the % is still really high from first shoot on .
In fact it is really really more accurate to shoot light tank than the AT rifle. Something that looks quite wrong to me.

I know that his pesky 13mm penetration will not be a big deal when I will be facing heavy armored british or US troups. But the capability to blow on the first shoot any light tank or APC seems a bit too much.

Can someone else have a look at this for version 5.02 ?

P.S. Sven please no funny comment, it just tend to make thread less readable.

[ June 16, 2001: Message edited by: Ivan GREYWOLF Kerensky ]

Oh, my favorite subject!

It's stats are really a bit too high.
For Type 10, accuracy is 28, and range is 12.

According to TM-E 30-480 1944 Technical Manual, its range is 65-175 yards.

For Type 89 (or Type 80 in some sources)
Max.Range : 131-670 yards.

Btw...Was Type 89 really also called "Knee Mortar"? This was a much heavier and larger mortar than Type 10. (

Ok, it was a very COMMON name, but it was a bad translation anyway.

I would suggest replacing it with "Leg Mortar" - Term "Knee Mortar" could be too confusing for the AI. It could try firing it against the knee, like some poor stupid Allied soldiers during the WWII

BOOM! One more fractured leg bone.