March on Matrix! WITP Players Unite!

[bstarr]

Leader bug: WITP Players Unite!

It’s time we make a stand! I’m not talking about rational behavior here; I’m talking about acting like a combo between a foaming at the mouth liberal at an anti(whatever) rally and a crazed religious nut confronting hardened sinners! We’ll gather together and march on Matrix headquarters (where is it anyway?). Ah, yes, I can see us now, drunk as hell, dressed in loincloths, singing that Twisted Sister anthem “We’re not going to take it.”

Shopping list for the march on Matrix:
I’ll bring the whiskey and finger foods but we’ll also need beer, ice, loincloths, picket signs, crayons, torches, one bull horn, one bull (don’t ask), bongo drums, sleeping bags, eye of newt and a twist of lemon.

And for crying out loud don’t forget to bring your game’s friggin’ serial number.

Our demands:
1) fix the leader bug
2) a shrubbery

So . . .
who's with me

bs



Ps. Dear Matrix, etc - If you don’t fix the leader bug . . . God will hate you.

Pps. I think I forgot to take my medication this afternoon

[wild_Willie2]

I AM WITH YOU AL THE WAY

LETS DO SOME MARCHING BROTHER (but not right now, I MUST go to bed now, else I will have a bad hair day tomorrow)

[bstarr]

ORIGINAL: wild_Willie2

I AM WITH YOU AL THE WAY

LETS DO SOME MARCHING BROTHER (but not right now, I MUST go to bed now, else I will have a bad hair day tomorrow)

uh . . . I'm not sure that's the gung ho spirit we're needing, but BY GOD, YOU'LL DO! (u may want to bring a hairnet on the march. should I add that to the list?)

[Zeta16]

Just fix it baby

[pasternakski]

I'm with either you or the bull, depending...

My attitude is, and has been, this: promises were made to induce us to buy this game. Among them was a sophisticated leadership design that built the heroes (and goats) of history into the simulation.

It doesn't work. Furthermore, it appears to have been a lie in the first place, as no authoritative source has been able to explain how leaders work or were intended to work - or even whether they have any effect at all.

As the situation now stands, I consider myself to have been defrauded.

I will accept a prompt and effective repair in lieu of litigation (which could take on the dimensions of a class action suit, and which, of course, I would never institute, but I will be POed if I don't finally wind up with my 80 bucks' worth).

As for the bull...
Put up or shut up, Matrix/2by3.

[siRkid]

I can not fix a bug I do not have a repeatable save for. Instead of storming the walls, please work on getting a repeatable save.

[bstarr]

ORIGINAL: Kid

I can not fix a bug I do not have a repeatable save for. Instead of storming the walls, please work on getting a repeatable save.

this is sort of a tongue-in-cheek protest. Oh sure, we may march on your headquarters, but we'd ask you to come out and have a few rounds of beer before we would actually torch the place. [;)]

[pasternakski]

ORIGINAL: Kid

I can not fix a bug I do not have a repeatable save for. Instead of storming the walls, please work on getting a repeatable save.

This is not a bug. This is a design defect that makes the game unplayable as advertised. You have worked long and hard on behalf of us all, and I appreciate it, but, the way things stand, you are nothing but a shill being worked by those who created this mess.

There are no repeatable saves. The code is defective. You are not responsible, and you should not step into a position of responsibility. Those who created and marketed this mess need to take responsibility for it and fix it.

Otherwise, we all need our money back.

[mogami]

Hi, OK I am game. What makes WITP unplayable? Since I have 8 PBEM games going currently and all run at least 1 turn per day the game is clearly being played.
What is the mystery of leaders? The higher the number the better the leader. If there is a number you want to know and can't abide the fact the game does not reveal it in play (since it is trying to get you to decide from how leaders perform rather then just saying "Look stupid place Admiral X in charge of that TF he has the highest number") Just save the game and then open the editor and look. Once you look there will be no more mystery and you'll always know the exact order of promotions among available leaders.
As to their impact I have been saying for many months that often when that monster TF gets it butt kicked by a smaller one the reasons are
1. Leader (most important for deciding who wallops who)
2. Unit experiance
3. Weapons

Leaders need explaining as much as gun ratings need explaining. Sure you might not agree on the number used but you still know that higher is better then lower.

[pad152]

Kid & Mogami

The following are my list of bugs that limit my enjoyment of Witp, and everyone can be repeated! Let me know if you need help repeating any of these.


Please Fix in 1.5

1. Ohka's haven't worked from day 1 of release!
2. NightFighter crash broken from day 1.
3. Japanese aircraft production, stop the computer from over ridding player changes.
4. Japanese Transport Aircraft can't load Airborne 47mm ATGs.
5. Save Game Crash.

[Zeta16]

The thing I do get is to why it is our problem. Why should I have to look at every taskforce or ship to check leaders every turn. I have no saves becasue I have no clue when the leader went bye bye. I don't play the game to look for bugs and this and that. It seems like the more the buying public says the more we get told we are not doing enough.

[33Vyper]

Onward, christian soldiers,
Marching as to war,
With the cross of jesus,
Going on before!


or would you prefer

Solidarity forever.....solidarity forever

just wanted some marchin music

[33Vyper]

BTW....I'm with Pad152

Fix the damn Ohka's......the the save game crash....could really give a rats ass about the damn leaders.

[bstarr]

um . . . y'all do realize this was supposed to be a "lets all laugh at ourselves and be happy" thread.

It's a complex game, therefore the solutions are going to be complex. Maybe I'm just a naive country boy, but if they say they're working on a solution, then they are working on a solution. My whole point was to bring focus to this issue (leader bug) rather than the little ones that pop everywhere.

Now, please, chill out. If we're going to march it will be a happy march; hense the whiskey, beer, and the bull.
bs

[Zorfwaddle]

Well, this is the good ole USA. You cant expect people to not over-react. Anyway, Im glad I paid and got my copy of the game. This being the good ole USA, litigation tends to shut things down and make product harder to receive. Im getting my 80 dollars worth, complete with sound, video, no crashes, and, if I am experiencing the leader bug, I havent noticed it.

George

[mogami]

ORIGINAL: Zeta16

The thing I do get is to why it is our problem. Why should I have to look at every taskforce or ship to check leaders every turn. I have no saves becasue I have no clue when the leader went bye bye. I don't play the game to look for bugs and this and that. It seems like the more the buying public says the more we get told we are not doing enough.

Hi, It's not your problem. The point we are making is Mike Wood cannot just fix a bug that occurs on your machine and not his without being able to see the bug in action and for that he has to have a save that repeats on his machine.
If a bug occured on every machine when you did this and that the bug would be fixed as soon as he was told what to do to reproduce the bug. But unless you can say "hit this key and then that key" you need a save. We understand people don't like bugs. We don't like bugs but we can't fix what we can't find.
The bugs that remain out there are all the types that do not occur for everyone.

[Zeta16]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

ORIGINAL: Zeta16

The thing I do get is to why it is our problem. Why should I have to look at every taskforce or ship to check leaders every turn. I have no saves becasue I have no clue when the leader went bye bye. I don't play the game to look for bugs and this and that. It seems like the more the buying public says the more we get told we are not doing enough.

Hi, It's not your problem. The point we are making is Mike Wood cannot just fix a bug that occurs on your machine and not his without being able to see the bug in action and for that he has to have a save that repeats on his machine.
If a bug occured on every machine when you did this and that the bug would be fixed as soon as he was told what to do to reproduce the bug. But unless you can say "hit this key and then that key" you need a save. We understand people don't like bugs. We don't like bugs but we can't fix what we can't find.
The bugs that remain out there are all the types that do not occur for everyone.

I guess I am just saying is that the players who paid for the game feel we are being told we are doing something wrong.

[bstarr]

ORIGINAL: Zorfwaddle

Well, this is the good ole USA. You cant expect people to not over-react.

Truer words have never been spoken. Hell, I should have known better; I'm from Texas. Where I'm from someone's usually bleeding by now.

[Zorfwaddle]

Heh heh....

"Know what I do when noone is looking? I mess with Texas..."

[:D]

Honestly, I have never been in a place where the people like the military as in San Angelo, TX. That was some of the best months in my career.

George

[bstarr]

I live in a very rural area with a very active VFW. Despite not having a base within about 100 miles (hell, the nearest movie theater is 65 miles away, and the nearest McDonalds 45 miles off) we love the military. Very patriotic here. We actually have american flags on every light pole in town year round. The VFW used to put them up on special occasions, but after 9/11 they became permanent fixtures.