Snipers in future versions

General Mayhem · Post by **General Mayhem** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 12:06 am

As snipers are becoming more tough, do
they also become less lethal in future
version? They seem to do some amazing feats
unsupressed.

I'm asking as my halftrack was assaulted by lone sniper who immobilized it. Then it shot couple of my rangers as I tried to answer the fire. I admit, I was being far too cocky as tried to drive with armored half-track carrying 8 rangers next to building where I knew only one sniper was carrying a Kar 98 rifle....

I was playing from 'Utah to Rhein' the first
battle, and it was the sniper on the building near the 57mm gun.

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Warrior · Post by **Warrior** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 12:43 am

Don't feel bad, I've had snipers destroy tanks.

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 1:08 am

Probably killed the driver and then it crashed?

General Mayhem · Post by **General Mayhem** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 1:21 am

Originally posted by Warrior:
Don't feel bad, I've had snipers destroy tanks.

panda124c · Post by **panda124c** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 1:27 am

Originally posted by Warrior:
Don't feel bad, I've had snipers destroy tanks.

If he's good real good he can lay that round off the turret hatch handle then off the breach, off the rear of the turret ring between the tank commanders legs and through the drivers seat causing him to stomp on the accelerator and crash into the river.

General Mayhem · Post by **General Mayhem** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 1:42 am

Originally posted by Paul Vebber:
Probably killed the driver and then it crashed?

I don't think any of the crew got killed.

In game terms, M2 armor is anyway bit thick
to stop bullets, so no bullet should go through it. In real life ome maybe could
hit the driver, altough I'm not sure what kind of protection M2 drivers exactly had?

Also half-track was on road, surrounded by flat Normandy ground. Only thing it could
have hitten was the building, but the half-track was going past the house.

Allright, maybe I'll wrote a conspiracy book where I speculate there must have been two guys with bazookas that I didn't see in the style:"Conspiracy of St-Mer-Englise, a crossfire that killed a driver and two rangers"

Then Oliver Stone makes a movie about it, and I become filthy rich!

BigDuke66 · Post by **BigDuke66** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 1:52 am

Maybe we have any real Snipers in the forum, if so please tell us about your Experience and how you do your "Job".

If I'm not wrong Snipers try to kill any confuse the enemy(where they prefer to kill important personal or officers) on greater distance then any soldier would nomally even try to shot. And if they hit a few or get in any danger the try to reach a new good position from where the start shooting again. If this is it, then the Snipers in SP are really far from realistic.

Warrior · Post by **Warrior** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 3:59 am

Originally posted by Paul Vebber:
Probably killed the driver and then it crashed?

I think he popped the commander, then killed the crew and reduced the tank to rubble by beating on it and them with his rifle butt.

sven · Post by **sven** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 4:04 am

Originally posted by Warrior:

I think he popped the commander, then killed the crew and reduced the tank to rubble by beating on it and them with his rifle butt.

Hey REMF that guy was an ARMY OF ONE!

Warrior · Post by **Warrior** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 5:33 am

Originally posted by sven:
Hey REMF that guy was an ARMY OF ONE!

Get with the program, Sven! REMF is dead.

TheOriginalOverlord · Post by **TheOriginalOverlord** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 7:05 am

Hey REMF that guy was an ARMY OF ONE!

Army of One? More like "Too Cute to Shoot"

:p

JTGEN · Post by **JTGEN** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 5:29 pm

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Hey REMF that guy was an ARMY OF ONE!

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Well after having an fun evening with the new dvd release of First Blood and my experiences with the snipers in SPWAW, I must assume their names are something like Rambo, john J.

krull · Post by **krull** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 6:16 pm

Shoot more than Once. AHHA NOT me i made it 42 years as a Sniper by being smart not stupid. Move Or hide after you fire . few time si fired more than once was When set up in a guarded postion in middle of freindly troops.
officers Ncos And machine gun crews where primary targets or any fool dum enough to stick his head out of an armored vehicle.
SP WaW is kinda unrealistic with snipers shooting alot. But they are hard to spot becuas emost fire move toa new spot. Or just hide. Never understood how soe people say they overun or melee snipers. How? what self respecting Sniper is gona stand up and fight. hes gona high tail it out there or hide and get in another shot at a later time.

General Mayhem · Post by **General Mayhem** » Wed Jul 04, 2001 8:48 pm

Originally posted by krull:
Shoot more than Once. AHHA NOT me i made it 42 years as a Sniper by being smart not stupid. Move Or hide after you fire . few time si fired more than once was When set up in a guarded postion in middle of freindly troops.
officers Ncos And machine gun crews where primary targets or any fool dum enough to stick his head out of an armored vehicle.
SP WaW is kinda unrealistic with snipers shooting alot. But they are hard to spot becuas emost fire move toa new spot. Or just hide. Never understood how soe people say they overun or melee snipers. How? what self respecting Sniper is gona stand up and fight. hes gona high tail it out there or hide and get in another shot at a later time.

They have a low self esteem but lot of courage?

I'm sure they aren't ordinary snipers. These
snipers have head bands, muscular body, and they carry a bow and they shoot explosive arrows.

'anthem from Rambo here'

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Igor · Post by **Igor** » Thu Jul 05, 2001 2:24 am

Three things about that poor 'track; first, 7.92 FMJ will go right through it's armor at point blank range (but not out again; it just bounces around for a while). Second, if that sniper was in a building, what kept him from shooting down through the open top? Finally, at 50 yards or less, how hard is it for a trained sniper with a good rifle to put a bullet through the vision slits in front of the driver?

All of which overlooks the dreaded close assault routine which assumes that the sniper *could* have won a satchel charge in a poker game...

Jasper · Post by **Jasper** » Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:40 am

Do you know why Russian lost the initial assualt against Finnish troops....

The story goes like that......

"This is how the story goes....

"Comrade Colonel, Comrade Colonel !!!" we need to retreat, said the Corporal.
"Why!!!! are u a traitor?!" the Colonel said.
"No comrade Colonel, our initial assault, we lost four KV in the forest, after a mopping, we captured three snipers, each of them are carrying 3 152mm artillery shell. When our tank goes pass by, they climb on top the tree and drop it on top the tank!!!" Thus our four KV were lost to the snipers..........

Why am I losing so many tanks to sniper................My infantry was beside the tank and that sniper assault and destroyed my tank (my only 4 KVs)?????????

Now you know why Russian initial assault didnt work, becasue the bloody sniper carry three rounds of 152 mm artillery shell in their back pack.....

General Mayhem · Post by **General Mayhem** » Thu Jul 05, 2001 3:58 pm

Originally posted by Casper:
Do you know why Russian lost the initial assualt against Finnish troops....

The story goes like that......

"This is how the story goes....

"Comrade Colonel, Comrade Colonel !!!" we need to retreat, said the Corporal.
"Why!!!! are u a traitor?!" the Colonel said.
"No comrade Colonel, our initial assault, we lost four KV in the forest, after a mopping, we captured three snipers, each of them are carrying 3 152mm artillery shell. When our tank goes pass by, they climb on top the tree and drop it on top the tank!!!" Thus our four KV were lost to the snipers..........

Why am I losing so many tanks to sniper................My infantry was beside the tank and that sniper assault and destroyed my tank (my only 4 KVs)?????????

Now you know why Russian initial assault didnt work, becasue the bloody sniper carry three rounds of 152 mm artillery shell in their back pack.....

Nah, they had same trainer as Lee Harvey Oswald. Bullets just zig zig from ventilation to inside tank, finally passing through each and every crew member.

It just needs lot of practice.

General Mayhem · Post by **General Mayhem** » Thu Jul 05, 2001 4:02 pm

Originally posted by Igor:
Three things about that poor 'track; first, 7.92 FMJ will go right through it's armor at point blank range (but not out again; it just bounces around for a while). Second, if that sniper was in a building, what kept him from shooting down through the open top? Finally, at 50 yards or less, how hard is it for a trained sniper with a good rifle to put a bullet through the vision slits in front of the driver?

All of which overlooks the dreaded close assault routine which assumes that the sniper *could* have won a satchel charge in a poker game...

Still.... I can understand the driver got shot. But if it would have happend on clear ground that was totally level, would shooting the driver then wrecked the half-track? Unlikely. And I'm sure more than one
person of the crew can drive the half track.

troopie · Post by **troopie** » Thu Jul 05, 2001 4:12 pm

Originally posted by General Mayhem:

Still.... I can understand the driver got shot. But if it would have happend on clear ground that was totally level, would shooting the driver then wrecked the half-track? Unlikely. And I'm sure more than one
person of the crew can drive the half track.

American or Canadian, yes. Other countries probably not. One of the advantages the US and Canada had was most of their soldiers already knew how to drive.

troopie

Jasper · Post by **Jasper** » Thu Jul 05, 2001 4:33 pm

Nah.....it is the new turbo plasma rifle there are using........... :p